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Old 03-04-2007, 06:49 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I've been to the gym lots of times, and they mesh great. Everyone there is always helping each other when they can.

I don't see how losing fights makes someone a bad fighter and makes their camp bad... Maybe GSP's camp sucks because Patrick Cote is a terrible fighter.

i would agree. hughes and franklin are still great fighters...they lost their belts, that makes them has beens? they'll come back strong, but i dunno if hughes can beat gsp...
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Old 03-04-2007, 07:34 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I've been to the gym lots of times, and they mesh great. Everyone there is always helping each other when they can.

I don't see how losing fights makes someone a bad fighter and makes their camp bad... Maybe GSP's camp sucks because Patrick Cote is a terrible fighter.
I didn't say they were bad fighter's, i said they were one dimensional, there is a big difference between the two. alot of fighters are really good at the one thing they do to compensate for where they are lacking, but once someone finds a way to defend against what they are really good at they don't really have anything else to rely on.

You are actually absolutely correct, GSPs camp does suck. lets see whos there...Loiseau, Goulet, Menjivar, while they are alright, they are not elite fighters. but he makes up for that with pure athletic ability. Imagine if he went to another camp...just wow.
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Old 03-04-2007, 07:35 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I wouldn't say fighters @ the camp are one dimensional. I simply think they're being beat by tougher guys. No one can win them all.
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Old 03-04-2007, 07:38 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I wouldn't say fighters @ the camp are one dimensional. I simply think they're being beat by tougher guys. No one can win them all.
no of course not. you say to-may-toe i say tomato. basic premise is they are still lacking in certain portions
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Old 03-04-2007, 07:40 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I was never a fan of Pat Militech or his camp. I'm kinda glad they don't have a belt. But I do think he has a very good camp with great athletes.
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Old 03-04-2007, 07:45 PM   #16 (permalink)
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matt hughes has a chance, so does franklin.
i'm looking at the guys coming out of greg jackson's camp though, rashad evans, keith jardine, the nightmare sanchez, etc.
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Old 03-04-2007, 07:45 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Awesome camp, it's not like the current HW, MW and WW champions come from the same camp so can't really say which camp is best. MFS molded many of the recent UFC champs, Rich trained with them a lot and I believe Liddell trains with them from time to time also.
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Rich Franklin isn't a part of MFS he is a part of Jorge Gurgel's camp. Franklin just helps out Hughes and Sylvia sometimes. I've always hated MFS fighters so I am glad that there is no champs from there I kinda like Rich Franklin.
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no of course not. you say to-may-toe i say tomato. basic premise is they are still lacking in certain portions
No fighter is completely well rounded. People don't really recognize this, but there's still a lot of "striker vs. grappler" matches. Really the only few who are really good @ both are Fedor, GSP, Penn, ect. A lot of fighters are really good in 1 field and average in the other.
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No fighter is completely well rounded. People don't really recognize this, but there's still a lot of "striker vs. grappler" matches. Really the only few who are really good @ both are Fedor, GSP, Penn, ect. A lot of fighters are really good in 1 field and average in the other.
i know no fighter is completely well rounded, i recognize this . I don't think Hughes is even average in striking yet, or Sylvia is average yet in his ground game. as i said, they could still use a bit of work. if they improved a bit in those portions they would be really tough to beat(by pretty tough i mean near impossible)
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