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post #11 of 28 (permalink) Old 02-06-2012, 01:48 PM
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a lot of you guys are just groupies.


its the same reason why olympic boxing is trash compared with professional boxing. Technique can only take you so far. No one wants to watch paulie malignaggi stick and move for twelve rounds, just like noone wants to watch condit or GSP do the same.

Mayweather wasn't even a huge draw until he finally beat some big names in de la hoya and gatti. Even then he was, and still is a boring defensive fighter. The only difference is he understands this and plays the bad guy role and talks shit to sell PPVs. Condit is a fool and he lost my PPV purchase for his next fight and I am certainly not the only one.

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History tells us that Condit usually goes for the kill in his fights, but with the stakes as high as they were Greg Jackson put together a gameplan that first and foremost would get Condit the win and Condit obviously followed it.

Condit is not a boring fighter by any means and for people to ridicule him because he did not do what countless others have done which is stand in front of Diaz and let Diaz pepper him with punches and lose the fight is baffling to me.

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Nope. I never fault any fighter for being "boring" it shows immaturity.
I think who you find boring or entertaining is a matter of personal prefernce, not maturity vs immaturity. If you like a movie that I don't like, it doesn't make you immature, it makes your taste different then mine.

Preferring a fighter who engages is a preference, not a sign of immaturity. You can appreciate a game plan like Carlos' for it's strategic efficacy, but at the same time, find it boring; It's a matter of preference, not a gauge of your MMA maturity.
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Condit doesn't fight like this in all of his fights. He wants to finish the fight but I admire a guy that realizes when a guy is better than him in a certain area. If you are a complete fighter, you need to use your skills or you will learn the hard way.

Examples of this are Wandy and Fedor. People hate on them when they make stupid mistakes and get KTFO or submitted when they didn't have to take those risks.

Fedor had no business losing to Werdum, but he got cocky and went to the ground with him and got submitted.

Wandy had no business losing to Leben, but he went berzerker on him in the first minute and got KOed.

Look at Fitch, he got KTFO on his last fight; that was exciting and all but it didn't do shit for Fitch.

So in essence, exciting fights put butts in seats and get PPV buys, but at the expense of the losing fighter. When you lose, and happen to get KOed or Submitted you go down the ranks and end up losing money at the end of the day. There is really no incentive in doing this, when you know there is a really good chance you will end up losing.
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Condit is just behind Nick Diaz for me in favorite fighers in that division and he normally does bang. He's one of the more aggressive fighters in that division normally. His gameplan against Diaz worked and worked well, it just wasn't what I'm used to seeing from him.
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Didn't even read the 1st post.
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a lot of you guys are just groupies.


its the same reason why olympic boxing is trash compared with professional boxing. Technique can only take you so far. No one wants to watch paulie malignaggi stick and move for twelve rounds, just like noone wants to watch condit or GSP do the same.

Mayweather wasn't even a huge draw until he finally beat some big names in de la hoya and gatti. Even then he was, and still is a boring defensive fighter. The only difference is he understands this and plays the bad guy role and talks shit to sell PPVs. Condit is a fool and he lost my PPV purchase for his next fight and I am certainly not the only one.

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LOL...Don't use the word groupie please..I used to date a girl who was really hot...And about 6 months into the relationship I had found out she was a full blown groupie The whore had done slept with Like 10 Metal bands....I still wonder how my dick didn't fall off...

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a lot of you guys are just groupies.


its the same reason why olympic boxing is trash compared with professional boxing. Technique can only take you so far. No one wants to watch paulie malignaggi stick and move for twelve rounds, just like noone wants to watch condit or GSP do the same.

Mayweather wasn't even a huge draw until he finally beat some big names in de la hoya and gatti. Even then he was, and still is a boring defensive fighter. The only difference is he understands this and plays the bad guy role and talks shit to sell PPVs. Condit is a fool and he lost my PPV purchase for his next fight and I am certainly not the only one.

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Yes fights need to be exciting and thats what people want to see. Lets break this down real quick.

Is it not exciting to see an explosive takedown with a massive GnP following it....YES I KNOW it is.

NOW lets imagine GSP fighting anyone with a great stand up game...he is going for that takedown....NOW lets imagine that person jabbing and winning the standup and then when GSP goes for the takedown he stuffs it...then stuffs the next one....then dodges the next one...then when GSP does get them down the other guy hits GSP with an elbow from the bottom and gets right back up....now rinse and repeat for 5 rounds. I am sure that everyone would've said that GSP go shutdown, he couldnt execute and had his takedowns stuffed repeatedly and never did much damage when he did take that person down.

NOW in case you still don't see where this is going...Diaz's walk you into the fence then beat on you is just like GSP going for constant takedowns and working some GnP. So actually Condit stopped Nick's "takedowns" and hit him repeatedly while doing so...THAT IS ALL

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a lot of you guys are just groupies.


its the same reason why olympic boxing is trash compared with professional boxing. Technique can only take you so far. No one wants to watch paulie malignaggi stick and move for twelve rounds, just like noone wants to watch condit or GSP do the same.
A lot of people in this forum are hardly noone.

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A lot of people in this forum are hardly noone.

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PS: I pity the fool.

you are 100% correct.



when I am wrong I'll admit it. there are actually ppl who enjoy that style.

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I think who you find boring or entertaining is a matter of personal prefernce, not maturity vs immaturity. If you like a movie that I don't like, it doesn't make you immature, it makes your taste different then mine.

Preferring a fighter who engages is a preference, not a sign of immaturity. You can appreciate a game plan like Carlos' for it's strategic efficacy, but at the same time, find it boring; It's a matter of preference, not a gauge of your MMA maturity.
you're right, actually

but the immaturity comes when you start seeing stuff like "he lost the fight because he ran like a bitch"

this is both immaturity and lack of education in the sport

Condit didn't "run like a bitch" by any means. I don't think anyone, at this level, gets afraid to the point of "running like a bitch" in the cage.

when you fight someone who is at least as good as you are, you want to put yourself in an advantageous position and you want to put the other guy in positions where he gets frustrated and starts doing mistakes

to put it simply, you want to be able to fight your own game and disallow the other guy to fight his.

Diaz game is to walk down opponents down the cage and then engage in a slugfest there. this is where he's the best and probably the best in the division at doing so.

By allowing Diaz to do that, Condit puts himself in a position where he's not as good as Diaz.

But by keeping the distance and making diaz follow him, he didn't allow him to get into his strength, preventing Diaz to fight his fight.

The post fight interview of diaz told us a lot about his mindset. Maybe Diaz would like to be more a "cockfighter", but this is not cockfighting, this is a sport, which involves smart game planning, and emotions control.
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