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post #1 of 28 (permalink) Old 02-06-2012, 01:00 PM Thread Starter
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Upset with how Condit fought? Read this!

I don't post a lot here. I have been a member for years, but with a wife and 3 kids, there is usually just enough time for me to fit in a look or two here and there. However, I posted a topic after the GSP/Hardy fought a while back that I think applies today. So for all you guys that call yourselfs fans of this "sport", and are upset on how Condit performed, read the following and just substitute Condit's name where necessary. I copied this from my original post, hope that's OK with the mods . . . it definitely still applies . . . enjoy . . .


OK, I have to get this off my chest as a die hard fan off MMA. I have watched since UFC-1. In fact, I have seen every UFC event. I have seen every Pride event. And I have seen virtually every other event out there from Strikeforce, Affliction, K-1, Bodog Fights, IFL, etc, etc, etc. I go to all my local events and support my training partners. I have trained for over 7 years now and have even had a couple fights just to say I did it.

In doing so, I have seen the evolution of MMA from what early opponents called human cock-fighting to what we now know as MMA today. MMA today is a legitimate sport. It is not a bloodfest. It is a sport with skilled opponents and strategies. There are rules and judges. It is no longer the old, two men enter one man leave scenario. MMA has evolved into a mainstream spectator sport.

This is what bugs the crap out of me. For years MMA, mainly led by the UFC, has struggled to become legitimate in the eyes of the licensing committees and fans alike. The goal was to take away the perception that you had two knuckleheads in the cage trying to gouge each otherís eyes out and bleed all over each other. Thus, making it a sport like baseball or basketball or whatever. For the most part we have succeeded. Most educated fans understand the conditioning involved. They understand the training involved. They understand the strategy involved. For the most part, this forum (unlike others that shall remain nameless (Sherdog)), has a good deal of educated fans of the sport. So, when I see threads bashing fighters that didnít make an entertaining fight, it bugs the heck out of me. Just follow me here.

What is the goal of the fight? Is it to win . . . or is it to entertain? If it is to entertain, then why are we fighting to become a mainstream sport? Why have rules? Why not just become like professional wrestling and have scripted fights? They are in fact entertaining right? But if the goal is to win your fight, what in the world is wrong with a fighter employing strategy to win? I mean, that is the goal right? Letís take for example the GSP/Hardy fight. Why are people saying that GSP did not come to fight? I think he answered it himself . . . he came to win . . . period. Did he succeed? So what, it was a little boring. Is that really his problem? What about Jon Fitch? All his fights look the same. Is that his problem? Should he change the fighter he is to accommodate the fans? I mean, he is winning . . . so why change? Yes . . . he is boring to watch at times. But, who cares? Again I ask, is the goal to entertain or win?

I get so sick of hearing ďfansĒ talk about fighters not coming to fight (when they win). Or when someone says they have lost all respect for a fighter because they stayed away from another fighterís strength to actually win the fight. If we are indeed a real sport, then strategy is a key component of any good fighterís gameplan these days. Why should fighters feel like they need to apologize after a fight, because the fans didnít like it? How many times have we seen a Superbowl that was less than entertaining? It happens people. Get over it. Sometimes fights are boring. Sometimes a fighter is smart enough to realize they are stronger in an area than his opponent and they choose to stay away from their strengths. To me, that is a smart, professional fighter.

The bottom line is this. If you are truly an MMA fan, then you have to take the good with the bad. You also need to understand that fighters should only be concerned with one goal . . . winning. If organizations like the UFC were only interested in entertainment, then our sport would look very different today. We would probably have a roster full of guys like Tank Abbott that just stood in front of each other and wailed on each otherís face until one fell. But, MMA is a sport. There is skill, conditioning and yes strategy. If you are a true MMA fan you should realize this. If you donít like a fighter because of how they fight that is fine. But for heavenís sake, quit bashing an opponent for winning . . . even if it wasnít pleasing to you. Enjoy the good fights, and respect the fighters for doing what they do when itís a boring one.

Sorry I just had to get that off my chest. Respond as necessary!
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I agree 100% with everything you said. I've always backed GSP and Fitch for their styles and tried to jam it into other peoples head the skill level needed to do what they do. It's a sport and you have to do what you have to do to win (not including cheating).

Condit fought smart and instead of satisfying some "fans" by standing in the pocket and exchanging hands with Diaz, he bounced around and landed big shots. Blaming Condit for not boxing with Diaz is like blaming any quarterback in the NFL for not throwing the ball in the area of Darrell Revis (the best defensive back in the NFL)... Its incredibly absurd.
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Agreed, people need to understand MMA is growing and with growth comes more and more visibility and more money.

Carlos Condit entertained his true fans like myself and he made a lot of money and has set himself up to make even more, this guy's building a house, he's got a family to take care of. MMA is a sport, a combat sport yes but a sport nonetheless and at the end of the day you can be another Chris Lytle who put on great fights but never made it to the top or you can be another Georges St. Pierre, which would you choose?

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I agree.

People are hating on Condit because he dod not go all Leonard Garcia during the fight and block Diaz's punches with is face.

The bottom line is if you are fighting a Greg Jackson fighter, especially when the stakes are high, then you need to have a plan B when your plan A (meaning your strengths) are not working because Jackson gameplanned around it.

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a lot of you guys are just groupies.


its the same reason why olympic boxing is trash compared with professional boxing. Technique can only take you so far. No one wants to watch paulie malignaggi stick and move for twelve rounds, just like noone wants to watch condit or GSP do the same.

Mayweather wasn't even a huge draw until he finally beat some big names in de la hoya and gatti. Even then he was, and still is a boring defensive fighter. The only difference is he understands this and plays the bad guy role and talks shit to sell PPVs. Condit is a fool and he lost my PPV purchase for his next fight and I am certainly not the only one.

the end.
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a lot of you guys are just groupies.


its the same reason why olympic boxing is trash compared with professional boxing. Technique can only take you so far. No one wants to watch paulie malignaggi stick and move for twelve rounds, just like noone wants to watch condit or GSP do the same.

Mayweather wasn't even a huge draw until he finally beat some big names in de la hoya and gatti. Even then he was, and still is a boring defensive fighter. The only difference is he understands this and plays the bad guy role and talks shit to sell PPVs. Condit is a fool and he lost my PPV purchase for his next fight and I am certainly not the only one.

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Nope. I never fault any fighter for being "boring" it shows immaturity.
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Nope. I never fault any fighter for being "boring" it shows immaturity.
get off your high horse buddy
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get off your high horse buddy
I've never been on a horse but I wouldn't mind riding one some day.

But seriously though, faulting an athlete for winning rather than being exciting is a bit much. I'd be pissed if I was Condit and I was reading all the negative feedback. The man finished all but one of his fights in his entire career going into this fight and he puts on an average show and he gets a lot of shit. So many fans just plain suck.
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I've never been on a horse but I wouldn't mind riding one some day.

But seriously though, faulting an athlete for winning rather than being exciting is a bit much. I'd be pissed if I was Condit and I was reading all the negative feedback. The man finished all but one of his fights in his entire career going into this fight and he puts on an average show and he gets a lot of shit. So many fans just plain suck.
You're only as good as your last fight. do you think carlos is going to come out swinging against GSP? this is a trend that is only going to continue as the stakes get higher!


I know Im playing the major heel role but I kind of have to with all these condit fans around. Makes me nauseous


im going to rep you. Mainly for not flipping out and putting your opinion out there without speaking in a condescending manner about those who think differently.

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a lot of you guys are just groupies.


its the same reason why olympic boxing is trash compared with professional boxing. Technique can only take you so far. No one wants to watch paulie malignaggi stick and move for twelve rounds, just like noone wants to watch condit or GSP do the same.

Mayweather wasn't even a huge draw until he finally beat some big names in de la hoya and gatti. Even then he was, and still is a boring defensive fighter. The only difference is he understands this and plays the bad guy role and talks shit to sell PPVs. Condit is a fool and he lost my PPV purchase for his next fight and I am certainly not the only one.

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There's this thing called differing opinions, everyone isn't going to agree with everyone.

I enjoy watching Floyd fight and I enjoy watching Condit fight, and no one wants to watch a GSP fight? With Brock retired GSP is officially the biggest draw in the sport, it seems to me like a ton of people do indeed want to watch GSP.

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