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post #21 of 40 (permalink) Old 02-15-2012, 06:22 PM
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If he refuses to take another fight until gsp is ready, why isnt he getting the same flack rashad got? If anything what hes doing is worse.
It's just bias for which fighter you like and don't like, happens all the time. Like how Condit fought smart and had a great strategy, while Bisping doing the same thing gets bashed left right and center for pick and running.

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It's just bias for which fighter you like and don't like, happens all the time. Like how Condit fought smart and had a great strategy, while Bisping doing the same thing gets bashed left right and center for pick and running.

Or how BOTH of them run out of weakness because they cant get in there and engage. Condit to be fair only had to use this strategy once, if thats what people want to call the stray and pray,where Bisping has use it many times.
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Condit will do what ever the UFC tell him to do.
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yeah i will be dissapointed in him if he doesn't fight for 9+ months... tonights fight sets this up perfect too, let him solidify his interim belt and silence the naysayers that thought jake won their first fight..
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Let's make an interim title becuase the champ cant fight and we don't want the division to be stalled....

Now let's let the interim title holder wait for the champion to heal.

Division still stalled.

That interim title is useless.


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I'm not sure what is going through anyone's head who thinks Condit deserves any kind of flack.

Condit has worked his butt off, and he's put his time in the trenches, waded through a whole circus about 'now you get a shot, now you don't, wait...now you do..', and put up with a truckload of BS from Diaz and his camp, before and after the fight.

He has 100% earned his shot at GSP. He's been the company guy for the UFC, he's done what he was asked, if he wants to wait for GSP now and take his shot at the title, he damn well deserves it.

He would have been just as justified to tell Diaz to stick it somewhere painful for the rematch, but he was willing to do that. I don't normally like holding up a division, but Condit has nothing to prove, Ellenberger, Sanchez and anyone else can go hang, Condit deserves the next shot at GSP, let him have it.
I read all the posts in this thread until I got to this one. I believe that "Finnsidious" has a good take on this situation.

I don't know all the specific details of everything that has transpired leading up to this debate/argument/discussion over this matter.....but I think I know enough to pretty much agree with Finn.

I know Carlos was being jacked around as the odd man out in this whole episode....he was treated as low man on the totem pole as each one of the fights got made....then fell apart, etc.

He didn't whine or complain like some would have certainly done (N.D. for one). He just stepped up to the plate each time. I think he is one of the most grounded - mature MMA fighters out there.

In my post RE: his fight with Diaz, I mentioned that IMHO Condit's maturity was one of the keys to winning that fight.

I have Comcast Cable where I live and they offer viewers certain previous MMA fights they can watch for $1.00 each (& u get it for 24 hours if u want to watch it more than once).

They had Condits last two fights b4 Diaz & I watched them both because I hadn't seen them b4.

He was also "AGAIN, stepping up to the plate" in both of these fights because he fought each guy on their home turf. Dan Hardy in London England & Rory MacDonald in Vancouver Canada.

He got "KO of the night vs. Hardy" as he nailed him with a brutal left hook late in the 1st round. Hardy was dropped to his back by the shot & Carlos followed & was able to get 2 more punches in b4 the ref tackled him off of Hardy to stop the fight because he saw that Hardy was briefly totally out of it.

His fight with MacDonald was totally different. MacDonald was dominating the fight for the first 2 and 1/2 rounds. B4 the 3rd round Jackson was hollering at Condit telling him that this was a fuking war and that he had to go out & fight like it.

Rogan said he had never heard Jackson talk that way to one of his fighters....that he was usually calm & collected. But then he & Goldberg agreed that u have to treat different fighters in different ways to motivate them (like coaches do in most sports) & they thought that obviously this was what Jackson thought Condit needed to hear.

Anyway, Condit finally got on top of MacDonald about half way thru the 3rd round & was throwing some brutal elbows & ground & pound. He stayed with the elbows & GAP & the ref stopped it with 9 seconds left due to strikes.

I gotta say that Carlos was a bit lucky it was stopped. Because if it wasn't....he would have been down 2 rounds to 1 & he would have needed that 3rd round scored 10-8 for him to get a tie & u seldom see 10-8 rounds in MMA.

The Bottom Line - I think Condit has done all that could have been expected of him & really a bit more. So I too think it should be up to him whether he wants to wait till GSP is ready to fight even if it takes a while.....or if he wants another fight b4 that time would come.

I don't like divisions in flux either....but with this unique situation....I think it's Condit's call.

My 2 cents.
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Let's make an interim title becuase the champ cant fight and we don't want the division to be stalled....

Now let's let the interim title holder wait for the champion to heal.

Division still stalled.

That interim title is useless.
THIS. With a big f*uck off capital "T".

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I read all the posts in this thread until I got to this one. I believe that "Finnsidious" has a good take on this situation.

I don't know all the specific details of everything that has transpired leading up to this debate/argument/discussion over this matter.....but I think I know enough to pretty much agree with Finn.

I know Carlos was being jacked around as the odd man out in this whole episode....he was treated as low man on the totem pole as each one of the fights got made....then fell apart, etc.

He didn't whine or complain like some would have certainly done (N.D. for one). He just stepped up to the plate each time. I think he is one of the most grounded - mature MMA fighters out there.

In my post RE: his fight with Diaz, I mentioned that IMHO Condit's maturity was one of the keys to winning that fight.

I have Comcast Cable where I live and they offer viewers certain previous MMA fights they can watch for $1.00 each (& u get it for 24 hours if u want to watch it more than once).

They had Condits last two fights b4 Diaz & I watched them both because I hadn't seen them b4.

He was also "AGAIN, stepping up to the plate" in both of these fights because he fought each guy on their home turf. Dan Hardy in London England & Rory MacDonald in Vancouver Canada.

He got "KO of the night vs. Hardy" as he nailed him with a brutal left hook late in the 1st round. Hardy was dropped to his back by the shot & Carlos followed & was able to get 2 more punches in b4 the ref tackled him off of Hardy to stop the fight because he saw that Hardy was briefly totally out of it.

His fight with MacDonald was totally different. MacDonald was dominating the fight for the first 2 and 1/2 rounds. B4 the 3rd round Jackson was hollering at Condit telling him that this was a fuking war and that he had to go out & fight like it.

Rogan said he had never heard Jackson talk that way to one of his fighters....that he was usually calm & collected. But then he & Goldberg agreed that u have to treat different fighters in different ways to motivate them (like coaches do in most sports) & they thought that obviously this was what Jackson thought Condit needed to hear.

Anyway, Condit finally got on top of MacDonald about half way thru the 3rd round & was throwing some brutal elbows & ground & pound. He stayed with the elbows & GAP & the ref stopped it with 9 seconds left due to strikes.

I gotta say that Carlos was a bit lucky it was stopped. Because if it wasn't....he would have been down 2 rounds to 1 & he would have needed that 3rd round scored 10-8 for him to get a tie & u seldom see 10-8 rounds in MMA.

The Bottom Line - I think Condit has done all that could have been expected of him & really a bit more. So I too think it should be up to him whether he wants to wait till GSP is ready to fight even if it takes a while.....or if he wants another fight b4 that time would come.

I don't like divisions in flux either....but with this unique situation....I think it's Condit's call.

My 2 cents.
I agree with both "Finnsidious" and "EagleClaw29" takes on the situation. Nothing much to add to it.
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Let's make an interim title becuase the champ cant fight and we don't want the division to be stalled....

Now let's let the interim title holder wait for the champion to heal.

Division still stalled.

That interim title is useless.
I would normally agree very much with this, but I just feel this situation has to be evaluated a little differently.

Condit deserves a shot at GSP, after what he's gone through, I don't have a problem with him waiting, especially since the fight waiting for him other than GSP would be against a guy he has already beaten.
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I would normally agree very much with this, but I just feel this situation has to be evaluated a little differently.

Condit deserves a shot at GSP, after what he's gone through, I don't have a problem with him waiting, especially since the fight waiting for him other than GSP would be against a guy he has already beaten.
Then why bother with an interim belt?
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