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Old 02-16-2012, 09:13 AM   #31 (permalink)
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I don't blame him at ALL considering the ******* circus he went through leading up to this fight. At least now he has a definite opponent in waiting for GSP.
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Old 02-16-2012, 02:43 PM   #32 (permalink)
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I thought he was "sick" of waiting. He kept saying how he has trained for 6 months for the Diaz fight because things kept happening. I thought he wanted to stay busy?

Also, definite opponent? Says who? What if he waits for what? 9 months? Almost a whole year...and GSP gets injured again. What happens then? He would have just wasted almost a year of his career.

It is ridiculous for any fighter to sit out 9-10 months if they aren't injured. It is a waste of time.

The interim crap means nothing. It is just a way the UFC can promote "Champion vs. Champion" when Condit isn't the Champ of anything. It was a #1 contenders match with some plastic belt up for grabs.

Honestly I think interim titles are dumb. What is the point of them anyway? Just have these #1 contenders matches be 5 rounders? Why even involve a fake title? It is all hype that really makes no sense.

Interim titles should never be used. I can't think of one good reason to use them other than the Brock situation.
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Old 02-16-2012, 04:33 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Let's make an interim title becuase the champ cant fight and we don't want the division to be stalled....

Now let's let the interim title holder wait for the champion to heal.

Division still stalled.

That interim title is useless.
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I would normally agree very much with this, but I just feel this situation has to be evaluated a little differently.

Condit deserves a shot at GSP, after what he's gone through, I don't have a problem with him waiting, especially since the fight waiting for him other than GSP would be against a guy he has already beaten.
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I don't blame him at ALL considering the ******* circus he went through leading up to this fight. At least now he has a definite opponent in waiting for GSP.
Dammit, I agree with every post quoted here. This just seems like a no-win situation.

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Old 02-16-2012, 04:38 PM   #34 (permalink)
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He didn't say for sure he wouldn't fight anyone before GSP, nowhere in the article does it say Condit refuses to fight anyone but the champ.



Condit is a warrior who doesn't duck top competition, doesn't duck wrestlers, doesn't duck champions. If Dana says "Condit, fight the winner of X" or "Fight X because it's a huge fight," he'll do it.


I think a five round fight with Ellenberger would be great. Give Condit a chance to "avenge" the split decision win. IMO he'd probably finish Ellenberger in the fourth but I bet it'd be a wicked fight, and it'd be good to see if Condit can realistically stuff a power double in the first 1-2 rounds.
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I don't blame him at ALL considering the ******* circus he went through leading up to this fight. At least now he has a definite opponent in waiting for GSP.
exactly my thoughts.

From day 1 I thought Condit was better than Diaz, but Diaz simply got the shot at GSP because of the "good guy/bad guy" angle that the UFC could sell. Condit doesn't talk much trash, and selling GSP/Diaz is much easier than 2 "gentlemen" fighting each other.

Diaz no shows at pressers, so Condit gets the fight, but then GSP has his injury. After beating Penn, Diaz further tries to sell the "good guy/bad guy" angle by accusing GSP of faking the injury, and then it's no surprise GSP wants the original match vs. Diaz.

Condit beat Diaz (as I suspected he would), so Diaz throws a temper tantrum. The guy has no class - in less than 6 months of being back in the UFC he has;
1. missed pressers (for a title fight)
2. claimed GSP was faking an injury
3. retired
4. pissed positive for illegal substance
5. accused Condit of only accepting a rematch because Condit somehow knew Diaz would piss positive.

I don't mind the "bad guy" attitude that some UFC fighters try to portray. I hated Koscheck during his recent bout with GSP, but I was actually pulling for him in his last 2 fights. Diaz is just an idiot.
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I would normally agree very much with this, but I just feel this situation has to be evaluated a little differently.

Condit deserves a shot at GSP, after what he's gone through, I don't have a problem with him waiting, especially since the fight waiting for him other than GSP would be against a guy he has already beaten.
There is no GSP to wait for.

GSP is out, has been out, and will be out for at least 9 more months. He doesn't exist in the championship scheme of things until he is medically cleared, and signed to fight. That is why there is an interim title.

Condit is the defending champion. Until GSP comes back and earns his title by defeating Condit.

Carlos Condit is the defending interim champion that is what these titles are created for.

This is just B.S. now IMO.
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The whole division is a mess. Interim belt is created to keep the division somewhat going, which isn't going to happen when the interim champ waits for the real champ for about 8-9 months. If Condit defends his belt in the meantime, then it would only make sense for GSP to give up his belt and fight for it again when he returns.

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The minute an interim title is created it becomes the "active" title in that division because the current champion for whatever reason is unable to defend. And that divison will be stalled for a long period of time without it.

The interim title holder is the recognized champion..

So now we have two championship titles in the same division that aren't being defended. This makes absolutly no sense.

Carlos Condit needs to defend his title. Or do we need a third title here?? smh
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The whole division is a mess. Interim belt is created to keep the division somewhat going, which isn't going to happen when the interim champ waits for the real champ for about 8-9 months. If Condit defends his belt in the meantime, then it would only make sense for GSP to give up his belt and fight for it again when he returns.

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Carlos Condit needs to defend his title. Or do we need a third title here?? smh
They will make an Interim Belt for the Interim Belt.

The new champion will be called: the neeeeeew UFC WW INTERIM-INTERIM CHAMPION OF THE WOOOOOOORLD.....

Jokes aside, I am convinced Condit will defend the title until GSP comes back.
I think he knows it, the UFC knows it. They're just waiting for the outcome of Kos vs Hendricks, to see who to give the shot at Condit.
If that fight looks like Kos vs Pierce, Ellenberger gets the shot. If one of the guys fighting in that fight puts in a brilliant performance, Joe Silva will have to think it through.
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There is no GSP to wait for.

GSP is out, has been out, and will be out for at least 9 more months. He doesn't exist in the championship scheme of things until he is medically cleared, and signed to fight. That is why there is an interim title.

Condit is the defending champion. Until GSP comes back and earns his title by defeating Condit.

Carlos Condit is the defending interim champion that is what these titles are created for.

This is just B.S. now IMO.

You hit the nail on the head, but I think Dana and crew aren't viewing it this way. It's like they just decided to make the Interim title Diaz-Condit fight because that's what you do when the champ is injured and can't fight. It's like they weren't looking down the road thinking that it would be logical for him to defend the belt instead of waiting 9 months to fight the true champ.

I think it's a matter of time before Dana and crew realize they are going to have to have Condit defend his title and then we can all stop complaining. Dana is usually very logical and often admits when he is wrong.

Soon they will realize that people want to see Condit defend his belt and e may see an Ellenberger rematch. I think they are also biding their time until Nick's hearing to see what the decision holds for him to ensure the Diaz-Condit rematch is indeed out of the question.
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