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post #21 of 205 (permalink) Old 03-11-2012, 04:36 PM
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There's just something about Karate infused MMA standup that I absolutely love. It's what first made Machida my new favourite fighter when he broke through, and I just love the style of it visually. So fluid and the defensive footwork/movements seems to be perfect for avoiding major damage on most occasions. It just seems more cerebral and tactical.

Conversely to that, I also love the aggressive side, when caution is removed and the crazy kicks and major flurries come aplenty. Will be supporting both Lawrence and Cruickshank.

I wish there was the general widely found option to train Karate infused MMA standup with sparring etc. I've trained Muay Thai for a year, but I'd love to learn the karate techniques and movements that get used in MMA fights, without having to go through a standardised Karate class

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It's hard to see a guys skill set in a one round fight. Some of these guys finished their fights extremely fast, but that doesn't necessarily translate to them being favorites to win. Many below average fighters have gotten 30 second knock outs or under, and we also have to take into consideration that the stoppages were somewhat questionable in these cases. Guys who won dominant decisions on the other hand are actually quite impressive themselves because they did show that they have control and who's to say that they wouldn't have finished it in the second or third round, but on the other hand, who's to say they would have controlled their opponent in the second or third round?

I think one round fights were kind of a bad idea. Under such pressure, the fighters were forced to fight a certain way that may not compliment their style, and couldn't afford to even drop one round which adds even more pre fight pressure. It may add to excitement, but it doesn't show a fighters true potential. A fighter would either be overly aggressive because they wanted the finish, or they would rely on getting a take down and milking it for all it's worth. If every fight was 1 round, Frankie Edgar would have lost back to back fights to Gray Maynard, and Anderson Silva would have lost to Lutter and Henderson. Of course they would have fought differently if they had known it would be 1 round before hand, but still.. I hope they get rid of that rule on the next season of the ultimate fighter.

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at the end of that cruickshank bout, when he had the other guy in the guillotine, when the other guy pops out, am I the only one who heard a "plop" sound ?
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There's just something about Karate infused MMA standup that I absolutely love. It's what first made Machida my new favourite fighter when he broke through, and I just love the style of it visually. So fluid and the defensive footwork/movements seems to be perfect for avoiding major damage on most occasions. It just seems more cerebral and tactical.

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I wish there was the general widely found option to train Karate infused MMA standup with sparring etc. I've trained Muay Thai for a year, but I'd love to learn the karate techniques and movements that get used in MMA fights, without having to go through a standardised Karate class
this, I don't know yet, but we might start to see a trend of karate/wrestling(or BJJ) MMA fighters in the relatively near future. guys like Machida, now Thompson, and those two TUF guys, I mean, it looks like it's actually effective (honestly who would have thought, only 10 years ago?)
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this, I don't know yet, but we might start to see a trend of karate/wrestling(or BJJ) MMA fighters in the relatively near future. guys like Machida, now Thompson, and those two TUF guys, I mean, it looks like it's actually effective (honestly who would have thought, only 10 years ago?)
I know ! The first UFC karate fighters were absolutely dreadful ! Not only did they not have any other skills to help, but their brand of karate did not seem to lend itself to damage limitation, or at all be able to stop them getting absolutely demolished in very little time at all.

It's really amazing to see how things have developed up to this point. Machida is one of the only fighters of the modern era to really bring something completely new to MMA fighting, probably another reason why I like him so much.

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I like the look of the karate style, but I think we are going to see more combinations muay thai with judo as the base instead of wrestling in the future. I think judo is just way more effective both offensively (trips) and defensively to throw wrestlers on their backs.

Jones has had some nice trips in the past, Chan Sung Jung uses it well, Akiyama has some of the nicest throws, but he can never seem to use it to keep a dominant position. Rousey is proof of what a high level practitioner of judo can do.

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at the end of that cruickshank bout, when he had the other guy in the guillotine, when the other guy pops out, am I the only one who heard a "plop" sound ?
I heard it too. Almost as if it had been edited. Sounded like a cartoon sound effect. There is no way that is real haha

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I like the look of the karate style, but I think we are going to see more combinations muay thai with judo as the base instead of wrestling in the future. I think judo is just way more effective both offensively (trips) and defensively to throw wrestlers on their backs.

Jones has had some nice trips in the past, Chan Sung Jung uses it well, Akiyama has some of the nicest throws, but he can never seem to use it to keep a dominant position. Rousey is proof of what a high level practitioner of judo can do.
Yea Judo seems to come out as well. in that Bout against Shields, even tho he lost, I really enjoyed watching Akiyama, he pulled off a couple of epic throws and trips in there, Shields had no idea what hit him (he said it in an interview)
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It's hard to see a guys skill set in a one round fight. Some of these guys finished their fights extremely fast, but that doesn't necessarily translate to them being favorites to win. Many below average fighters have gotten 30 second knock outs or under, and we also have to take into consideration that the stoppages were somewhat questionable in these cases. Guys who won dominant decisions on the other hand are actually quite impressive themselves because they did show that they have control and who's to say that they wouldn't have finished it in the second or third round, but on the other hand, who's to say they would have controlled their opponent in the second or third round?

I think one round fights were kind of a bad idea. Under such pressure, the fighters were forced to fight a certain way that may not compliment their style, and couldn't afford to even drop one round which adds even more pre fight pressure. It may add to excitement, but it doesn't show a fighters true potential. A fighter would either be overly aggressive because they wanted the finish, or they would rely on getting a take down and milking it for all it's worth. If every fight was 1 round, Frankie Edgar would have lost back to back fights to Gray Maynard, and Anderson Silva would have lost to Lutter and Henderson. Of course they would have fought differently if they had known it would be 1 round before hand, but still.. I hope they get rid of that rule on the next season of the ultimate fighter.
I agree completely. I just got to view a re-run of the show last night for the first time. I think the format was a bust. One 5 minute round does not necessarily deliver the best fighter. It could deliver the luckiest, or the one in the worst cardio shape and sometimes the best one too. But it doesn't gaurantee the best fighter. The occassional discussions between the coaches with Dana saying "there you have it, some feedback from the coaches" was just plain amateur. The fights are the highlight for me, don;t get me wrong, but I like to see some of the drama these guys can get into also.

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I agree completely. I just got to view a re-run of the show last night for the first time. I think the format was a bust. One 5 minute round does not necessarily deliver the best fighter. It could deliver the luckiest, or the one in the worst cardio shape and sometimes the best one too. But it doesn't gaurantee the best fighter. The occassional discussions between the coaches with Dana saying "there you have it, some feedback from the coaches" was just plain amateur. The fights are the highlight for me, don;t get me wrong, but I like to see some of the drama these guys can get into also.
The point I think is to deliver the healthiest fighter, I'm pretty nervous to see what 13 weeks of training is going to do to these guys but having them fight a 3 round fight just seems like they are asking for trouble.
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