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Old 09-16-2012, 02:27 PM   #11 (permalink)
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yea, since he got out of the TUF finale, Nelson has been in very exciting fights.

IMO, what he wants is for his guys to save themselves and don't get hurt going for crazy stuff.
Yeah, he's right. Lots of people consider GSP to be boring, but he keeps winning you know. Just surprised that it was him to say that out of everyone.

I don't get why people don't like Dana. The dudes as much of a fan of fighting than everyone. He wants exciting fights for ratings obv, but he wants exciting fights to watch more so.
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Old 09-16-2012, 02:30 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Some decent fights in there. I was surprised to see Michaud so passive when it came to wrestling. He even looked like he got out grappled a lot. I heard he was supposed to be the most decorated wrestler on the show, so that was a little odd. I guess that's MMA for you.

Colton was kind of a jerk. When Nelson calls him out on just going for the take down right during the glove touch, he just chuckles and says "sorry, I didn't mean too." What are you talking about? You put your glove up, and right as the guy was raising his hand, you shot in on him and put him on his back. That's blatant poor sportsmanship. You obviously knew what you were doing.

Also, that guy who beat Max Griffin. It looked pretty clear in the first round, that he was holding on to Griffin's glove for dear life so Griffin couldn't get away from him. Even Dana White noticed it. I'm surprised the referee didn't call him out on it. It was very noticeable considering Griffin pretty much got away, but only his hand was really stuck. It was like a game of "tug of war" that looked ridiculous. I've been in that guys situation before. When you're on your back and only have a guys hand to keep him from getting up onto his feet and away, it's extremely hard to stop him from escaping. Using his glove for leverage would help you a lot. However, it's against the rules to grab your opponents gloves or shorts.

I understand it's a big opportunity and none of these guys want to lose it, but I hope cheating isn't going to be common this season.

Other than that, I see some decent fighters on the show. Alvey looks promising and is a big guy. He's fought at light heayweight, but is competing as a welterweight. It makes me wonder how his conditioning will be, but at least his power is still there.
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Yeah that guy is not a good example for MMA to be putting on national tv. It didn't cause Nelson to pick him last even though he called the guy a 'douche' for it. I still had fun watching the preliminary round and that video makes the entire season look like pretty much par for TUF course.
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The 5 i was impressed with were Alvey, Ricci, Diffley, Chaney & Waters (in that order).

Carwin is gonna piss this season, his team is much better than big country's. Roy better pick some good stylistic fights!
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The only person who impressed me was Waters. Even when Alvey, his stance and pressure didn't seem good, he just landed a nice punch really.

Just say that Nelson has both Diaz brothers in his camp. While it's my #1 & #2 all time favourites, why BOTH? Both Nick and Nate fight the EXACT same, so what is having both of them training going to help?
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Dana makes himself look like such a twat SO often.

"Horrifying, boring decision"

For having sat ringside every event he isn't very educated on the part of the sport where they actually fight.
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This may be the first season I skip. I can't recall being overly impressed by anyone, and the dramatics in the house have always left me rolling my eyes. I don't really see the 'entertainment value' in watching a few hicks get plastered and taking out their anger on inanimate objects. Too many unintelligent meatheads and far too little talent this season, imo.

Roy vs. Carwin itself I'll certainly tune in for.
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Dana makes himself look like such a twat SO often.

"Horrifying, boring decision"

For having sat ringside every event he isn't very educated on the part of the sport where they actually fight.
He's a fight fan. He seees two dudes grappling with no damage happening and it annoys him. He wants to see the same exciting fights that we want to see. He's speaking his mind, and if he didn't enjoy the fight and found it boring, then so be it. Should we all have loved Kongo's last fight because it showed an array of grappling skills?

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This may be the first season I skip. I can't recall being overly impressed by anyone, and the dramatics in the house have always left me rolling my eyes. I don't really see the 'entertainment value' in watching a few hicks get plastered and taking out their anger on inanimate objects. Too many unintelligent meatheads and far too little talent this season, imo.

Roy vs. Carwin itself I'll certainly tune in for.
I actually had an arguement with someone telling me that it doesnt have enough drama anymore lmao. I don't mind the drama because it lets me know the fighters. I like watching fights, but theres nothing better than actually knowing the fighters and having favourites based off of that. I want Vitor to beat Jones because Vitor is a legend and Jones is an ass. The drama kind of gives you some insight into the fighters and allows you to have favourites, but essentially it all boils down to the action inside the cage.
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He's a fight fan. He seees two dudes grappling with no damage happening and it annoys him. He wants to see the same exciting fights that we want to see. He's speaking his mind, and if he didn't enjoy the fight and found it boring, then so be it. Should we all have loved Kongo's last fight because it showed an array of grappling skills?
It just doesn't make sense when you look at the history of TUF. Roy Nelson himself fought to win when he felt like he needed to. He ended up winning the whole season and look at the position he's in now. I remember watching a lot of guys having impressive finishes to get into the house and not look so good in the following fights.

I'd assume that could most of those first round finishes from this season can be attributed to the fighters having totally uneven skill levels, but that's just my opinion. I don't think it's so easy to be entertaining once you start to climb the ladder, and we see very few who do it consistently and succeed.

Some guys are wrestlers without a lot of experience. Some guys are grapplers with terrible standup. Why would they risk being knocked out on national television, when they know that getting this win will earn them several more fights on national television?

They aren't even being paid for that fight! (Except for those fan-voted bonuses at the end type deal.)

I should also say that I can sort of see it from Dana's point of view too. He's couped up sitting at that table beside Roy Nelson for a few hours and the rounds probably seem a lot longer than normal.

I just think he is rude.
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Old 09-17-2012, 11:40 AM   #20 (permalink)
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It just doesn't make sense when you look at the history of TUF. Roy Nelson himself fought to win when he felt like he needed to. He ended up winning the whole season and look at the position he's in now. I remember watching a lot of guys having impressive finishes to get into the house and not look so good in the following fights.

I'd assume that could most of those first round finishes from this season can be attributed to the fighters having totally uneven skill levels, but that's just my opinion. I don't think it's so easy to be entertaining once you start to climb the ladder, and we see very few who do it consistently and succeed.

Some guys are wrestlers without a lot of experience. Some guys are grapplers with terrible standup. Why would they risk being knocked out on national television, when they know that getting this win will earn them several more fights on national television?

They aren't even being paid for that fight! (Except for those fan-voted bonuses at the end type deal.)

I should also say that I can sort of see it from Dana's point of view too. He's couped up sitting at that table beside Roy Nelson for a few hours and the rounds probably seem a lot longer than normal.

I just think he is rude.
At the end of the day, if Dana thinks you are boring, nothing changes. Put it this way, a lot of people consider GSP to be boring. Imagine if Dana thought the same, what could he do? If you're good enough at fighting, you can be exciting or boring, but it's really irrelevent. Dana is just showing that he likes the exciting fighters.

Exciting only matters when you aren't a great fighter. Usually all the UFC guys get a fight or two after the show. If you're a boring fighter and lose the season and that first UFC fight, NO ONE is interested in you, so why would Dana ask you to come back? If you are exciting as fuk throughout the season, and lose a fight where someone out grappled you but you wanted to keep it standing and have a war, you'd get kept on because there is potential for an amazing fight there.

If you win all of your fights, Dana isn't going to do anything other than allow you to fight. You lay and pray everyone in the season and go on a 6 fight win streak doing the exact same afterwards, you ARE getting a title shot. If you're boring and losing though...bye.

Well, this is a fighting business. You can call it rude or realistic. I've said it a million times, the last thing MMA needs is a president who is diplomatic and holds his tounge. Fighters step out and tell their opinion because MMA is an in your face, straight forward organization. Politics and shit gets left at the door (or on Chael Sonnen's twitter page). It is only fitting that the figurehead of the company follows the same format.
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