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post #161 of 380 (permalink) Old 02-20-2013, 03:41 PM
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Chael is a damn good coach, might be the best in TUF history. Tor will maul Josh.


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I agree. I think no doubt he is the best coach theres been on TUF.
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post #162 of 380 (permalink) Old 02-20-2013, 04:11 PM
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I agree. I think no doubt he is the best coach theres been on TUF.
Way to early but remember Team Liddell
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  • Kyle Noke
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  • Rich Attonito
  • Brad Tavares

60% of Liddell's fighters over two seasons have had UFC careers. Also Rich really should still be in the UFC, it was bullshit for Joe Silva to cut him because he couldn't make weight on a short notice fight.

Jason Miller got all of his guys in the UFC and the one that didn't stick around is in the Bellator system.

Brock Lesnar took a series of bums(Cope, Harvison, O'Neil) and coached them up to the UFC level.

I think Chael's got a lot of talent and I think Jones is over his head when it comes to coaching.
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Yeah. Chael really isn't that impressive...and his philosphies on fighting are pretty bad(Don't worry about defense guys!)....yeah says the guy whos been submitted about 8 times.


The best coach was Brock....the way he was able to coach a guy like Chris Cope on his takedown defense was impressive to me...especially since Cope is a terrible fighter.

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can't get over how piss-poor McDaniels RNC defense was, that was appalling.

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the RNC such an easy sub to defend too, just shows you how cocky and crappy bubba really is which isn't surprising as i picked kelvin to win


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So is it pronounced "Thor" or "Tor" Because Chael said it both ways.
It's pronounced "Tor". I guess Chael said "Thor" to jokingly point out the similarity to the Norse god. Which was a bit pointless, since the god Thor is named Tor in Sweden, where Troeng is from.
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Yeah. Chael really isn't that impressive...and his philosphies on fighting are pretty bad(Don't worry about defense guys!)....yeah says the guy whos been submitted about 8 times.
Says a guy who doesn't even fight. I will keep calling you out until you back your ish up. Lets see some proof of your alleged fights please.

In the meantime I will correct you and say that, while you obviously shouldn't eschew defense entirely, Chael is absolutely right to advocate that it take backseat to offense. This is true for a number of reasons.

First and foremost, at a lower level of competition, aggression is arguably the biggest factor in winning a fight. Hell, even at higher levels, pressure can make the difference between the winner and loser. There aren't many fighters who are so skillful that they can allow their opponents to take the lead and still come out on top.

Furthermore, Chael only has a finite amount of time to actually correct technique. I have no doubt that he's trying to do so, but at the end of the day, pressure and aggression can go a long way in covering up flaws. Encouraging an offense-oriented mindset and strategy is literally the most time-efficient course of action he can take.

Another thing to consider is that this is a 2-round exhibition. The fight is only 2/3 as long as usual, so there's less time to assert your game and make an impression on judges. The sooner you get the lead, the better, especially when your opponent has less time than usual to catch up.

And last, but certainly not least, THIS IS TUF! Charging through the gates and leaving it all out there is your best bet for creating an exciting fight, and not only impressing the judges, but impressing Dana. Even if you don't win, you're probably going to up your chances at getting on the wild card if you go balls to the wall. Especially since Dana never fails to mention, season after season, that he's most impressed by those who go out to make (and finish) an exciting bout.

Chael is an intelligent veteran. There is great reasoning behind his strategies, which are fueled by his experience in the cage against top-shelf competition. Of course a wannabe like you wouldn't grasp the wisdom behind his methods.

And yeah, still waiting on that proof, 'Mr. Undefeated.'

All of that aside, I freaking LOVE Chael Sonnen as a coach and a TV personality. Instead of focusing only on the physical, technical, and even strategic components of the game, Chael seems to emphasize supporting his fighters psychologically.

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See, i was going to respond to Roflcopter there....but there is nothing left to say after that
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Way to early but remember Team Liddell
  • Diego Sanchez
  • Josh Koscheck
  • Kenny Florian
  • Forrest Griffin
  • Sam Hoger
  • Kyle Noke
  • Court Mcgee
  • Rich Attonito
  • Brad Tavares

60% of Liddell's fighters over two seasons have had UFC careers. Also Rich really should still be in the UFC, it was bullshit for Joe Silva to cut him because he couldn't make weight on a short notice fight.

Jason Miller got all of his guys in the UFC and the one that didn't stick around is in the Bellator system.

Brock Lesnar took a series of bums(Cope, Harvison, O'Neil) and coached them up to the UFC level.

I think Chael's got a lot of talent and I think Jones is over his head when it comes to coaching.
In general the talent was much better in the earlier TUFs. Alot of them were very decorated in other disciplines. Now a days people with somewhat bad records are making it in the house. I suspect if Liddel coached again that his guys wouldnt have 1/8th of the career that his first team had.

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