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DevilMan13 04-27-2007 06:40 AM

Reason for Team Pulver's Domination
 
Is it that that the fighters are just better, or is it that Jens is a way better coach than BJ?

Oil 04-27-2007 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by DevilMan13
Is it that that the fighters are just better, or is it that Jens is a way better coach than BJ?


I think Jens is a better coach. Just because someone may have more talent than someone else doesn't make them a better coach. From what I've seen Jens is putting a lot more effort into (atleast talking) teaching his team. I know that he sometimes doesn't jump in there like BJ but you can't always see everything when you're in the middle of things.

hutchykurt 04-27-2007 09:14 AM

I think BJ's plan to have the fighters choose him backfired. Every single fight has shown a total lack of aggression from BJ's fighters. In the case of Andy Wang, the fighter can't follow instructions.

Also, Penn's fighters seem WAY more one dimensional. They seem to have alot of high level BJJ practitioners as opposed to all around fighters.

I'm a little surprised that BJ hasn't had any surprise guests yet too.

zescstar 04-27-2007 09:30 AM

i think that jens has his team training hard everyday
and bjs guys are training a little here and there and their sitting around the cage having group therapy
and he seems to have less control over his guys
they dont listen to him when there in the cage
trust me im rooting for penns team and every week i say this is gonna be the week they win and its not happening
emerson should have took diaz and wang if he brought it to the ground it would have been over in the first 2 mins of the second round.BJ needs to take control and get serious and win this
i cant wait to corey hill fight hes gonna dominate

just my .2cents

staresolus 04-27-2007 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by hutchykurt
I think BJ's plan to have the fighters choose him backfired. Every single fight has shown a total lack of aggression from BJ's fighters. In the case of Andy Wang, the fighter can't follow instructions.

I agree completely. That whole "if want to be on MY team and don't want anything to do with Jens Pulver" was so juvenile and drew the fighters with that kind of mentality. If you're serious about joining the UFC and serious about getting that contract then it shouldn't matter to you who your coach is. You've got the chance to learn from two great fighters. I think BJ's stunt just weeded out all/most of the guys who weren't trully serious about learning and winning and he shot himself in the foot by taking them all. He did Jens a big favor.

natryl21 04-27-2007 10:01 AM

you know what... i was lookin at that fight last night and actually thinkin that the fighters on Jen's team or just better fighters and he's just polishing them... because, for instance, in the fights - Penn had a guy in there with no experience really, then i look at their records and most of them are close to .500... where as on Jen's team these guys have stronger winning records...

I think BJ is trying but he's guys (the one's who fought already) are tough but not that good... like last night... that kid was just stubborn and hard headed.... You can't coach someone to listen in 2 or 3 weeks

IMO, Jenn just has better fighters and he's just better at motivating them

Oil 04-27-2007 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by staresolus
I agree completely. That whole "if want to be on MY team and don't want anything to do with Jens Pulver" was so juvenile and drew the fighters with that kind of mentality. If you're serious about joining the UFC and serious about getting that contract then it shouldn't matter to you who your coach is. You've got the chance to learn from two great fighters. I think BJ's stunt just weeded out all/most of the guys who weren't trully serious about learning and winning and he shot himself in the foot by taking them all. He did Jens a big favor.


I agree with you in your points that BJ did a childish thing and that he probably got a few guys who were of that childish mentality but he did get some really good fighters like Joe. I disagree that a fighter who wants the contract shouldn't care who the coach is. When you want to be the best you want the best coaching you. It's just to bad for Team BJ that BJ doesn't seem to be the best coach even though his back ground says other wise.

Side note: BJ is coaching like he's been fighting as of late. He cares enough to step into the "ring" and put forth an effort but it is no where near what he is capable of. It really seems to me that BJ has the mindset that what he does is enough to just coast right through things. Which is tragiclly sad...and a waste.

VinceD 04-27-2007 11:40 AM

I also think that Jens is just a better coach. It seems like when they show the two teams training that Jens is pushing them much harder then Penn is pushing them. Jens rides their ass and it makes everyone work harder. It seems like everytime I see Penns team they are all chillin on the mat and not really training hard enough.

kds13 04-27-2007 02:08 PM

I didn't vote in the poll cause its alot of both. Pulver seems to have connected with his fighters better to where they listen and he can still get on em hard for not trying.

He also picked all the better fighters. I didn't really like any of BJ's picks except Luazon.

KillerG 04-27-2007 03:56 PM

I would say its a bit of both. People who chose BJ IMO chose him for his name. If you knew much about him you would know he's not big on training, the man is naturally gifted. Now if you aint got the gifts you need a man like Pulver who works for his dolla.

So to start BJ got the "i like the name" people. Diaz realized fast he didnt need BJ to win. Shame the others didnt. Then of course due to BJ's (looks like) slack training means they get less out of the days training.

I mean Pulver got Hughes to come in to help his fighter as Wang is a BJJ black belt. I mean apart from Chuck and GSP who better to teach a little take down defense and protection while on the ground?

Ive rooted for Pulver because in my oppinion he's there for the fighters and i presumed would be the better coach, no way would i have picked BJ, he's got to much natural skill to understand overcomeing the fact you dont have it.


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