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Old 09-29-2007, 03:04 AM   #41 (permalink)
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If its free time, then Mac should've been allowed to sleep as that is what he decided to do.

Mac was allowed to sleep, Hughes just tried to explain why he wanted them to read the chapter.


Its ignorant crap like what Wayne said make these discussions harder, would you feel differently if Serra was a hardworking Catholic that goes to church every Sunday and doesn't believe in abortion or do catholics just suck in general? Praising Hughes and then slamming Serra is no better than someone slamming Hughes for his religion.[/quote]

How am I ignorant? You going to argue that what Serra did by making fun of Hughes was not him being a total tool? It is alot different than if he had said nothing but did not offer the same to his fighters.

Serra went out of his way to make fun of Hughes, and the fighters that read the bible offered to them. He is a dick.
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Old 09-29-2007, 03:07 AM   #42 (permalink)
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To the Member that said would my views change if it was the Koran or any other religious book.

My answer to you is no it would not change as long as it was handled in the way hughs handled it.

I relax while reading and and reading a book would have been nice no matter what it is.

to the guys that are soo against him handing out the bible Have you read it all the way through? There are allot of interesting stories in it, you dont have to take faith from it the stories are really good.
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Old 09-29-2007, 12:55 PM   #43 (permalink)
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My only issue with this is the story that Hughes picked. I wasn't entirely sure of why he picked it.

As far as a religion being persucted, if you talking world wide, the Jews have had more discrimination than anyone in the history of the world. Followed by Christians.

BTW the bible is anything but fictional.
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Old 09-29-2007, 05:49 PM   #44 (permalink)
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At first I was thinking what the hell is he doing making them read the bible. After thinking about it and knowing now that they aren't allowed to have anything else to read or watch that it's not a bad idea. The only thing is how would I react to being given some other religions holy book or whatever, like the koran or whatever it's called? I don't know, don't think I'd read it, but like Huges said, he wasn't forcing anybody to read it and was just saying that the story is interesting.
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Old 09-29-2007, 07:37 PM   #45 (permalink)
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My only issue with this is the story that Hughes picked. I wasn't entirely sure of why he picked it.
He decided to bring in a book because the fighters have no distraction from each other or training. There is no TV, no phone, no computer, board games, no nothing. He thought it would be nice if they had something to do besides train and eat.

He brought in the bible because that was the only book that was allowed. It makes sense that they would only allow the bible, people are religious. It makes sense that they wouldn't allow other books if they have already disallowed TVs, phones, computers, games, etc

Another thing that people need to understand is that you don't have to believe in God to read the bible. If you believe in the bible then you believe in it. If you don't believe in God, read it and treat it as any other story or don't read it. Reading it does not = believing or accepting the faith. Treat it as any other book.

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People seem to automatically get all butt hurt when somebody talks about god or brings up the bible.
What it comes down to is Hughes did a good thing trying to get something to take his guys minds off things if even for a little bit and teach them a lesson and relate them to his life. These all seem like things a good coach would do.
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Old 09-30-2007, 08:28 AM   #47 (permalink)
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BTW the bible is anything but fictional.
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If they are allowed a bible they should be allowed other books. Simple as that.
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Old 10-02-2007, 07:21 PM   #48 (permalink)
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I think the three Semitic world religions (Christianity, Islam and Judaism) are quite similar actually.

I guess the reason why societies today with a christian majorty generally are more liberal than muslim countries is that christianity have had a bit more time to mature (or is it ok to say "fade away"?). Islam was founded in the 7th century, and when christianity was only 1400 years old, all western countries were fuc ked up more than imaginable.

And all the jihad talk today is not much more than talk, as opposed to the crusades back then that, although glorified i fiction, were nothing else than people inciting each other to go away killing as many people as possible who were different from them.

It doesn't matter if the prophets says "turn the other cheek". If there's religion, violence will find a way.
You are assuming that all three religions (because they essentially share the same God) teach the same set of values and spread the word in the same manner but you would be wrong in assuming so.

The “age” of a religion does not determine its teachings or it’s core values (cannon).

Mohamed, Allah’s messenger was far from peaceful and spread the word of Islam (submission) through extreme violence. The early Muslim conquests are among the most violent in world history and pre date the Christian Crusades by several hundred years (in part a response to Islamic invasions into once Christian lands).

As for Jihad being not much more than talk I don’t think you have a very accurate world view. The Islamic extremists are reported to account for only 10% of the Muslim population but there are 1.3 Billion Muslims world wide which means that 130 million Muslims embrace the violent interpretation of Jihad.

The Jihadists are seeking to reverse what they conceive to be the demise of the Islamic state at the hands of the non-Muslims which began in the late Middle Ages and to establish Islamic hegemony over the world through conquest (Fatah). They attribute their defeat to having strayed from the purist rendition of Islamic ideology that they believe existed at the peak of Islamic conquest. Thus the remedy, in their eyes, is a return to the puristic, albeit, intolerant Islam.
The objectives of the Jihadists can thus be summarized into 3 steps:

1. Liberation (Tahrir) of all land that fell at any time to Islamic conquest and which was at one time included in the Caliphate but which have since reverted back to the control of its non-Muslims inhabitants. These territories include, Kashmir, Chechnya, Spain , ISRAEL, Bosnia and all territory that was ever under the dominion of Islam throughout history.
2. Unification (Tawheed): The dismantling of all the Greater Middle East Arab nation state entities and borders and the unification of that territory under one common Islamic superstate.
3. Re-establishment of the Caliphate Khilafa and resumption of the external Jihad of conquest (Fatah) against the non-muslim world Dar al-Harb. `
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You are assuming that all three religions (because they essentially share the same God) teach the same set of values and spread the word in the same manner but you would be wrong in assuming so.

The “age” of a religion does not determine its teachings or it’s core values (cannon).

Mohamed, Allah’s messenger was far from peaceful and spread the word of Islam (submission) through extreme violence. The early Muslim conquests are among the most violent in world history and pre date the Christian Crusades by several hundred years (in part a response to Islamic invasions into once Christian lands).

As for Jihad being not much more than talk I don’t think you have a very accurate world view. The Islamic extremists are reported to account for only 10% of the Muslim population but there are 1.3 Billion Muslims world wide which means that 130 million Muslims embrace the violent interpretation of Jihad.

The Jihadists are seeking to reverse what they conceive to be the demise of the Islamic state at the hands of the non-Muslims which began in the late Middle Ages and to establish Islamic hegemony over the world through conquest (Fatah). They attribute their defeat to having strayed from the purist rendition of Islamic ideology that they believe existed at the peak of Islamic conquest. Thus the remedy, in their eyes, is a return to the puristic, albeit, intolerant Islam.
The objectives of the Jihadists can thus be summarized into 3 steps:

1. Liberation (Tahrir) of all land that fell at any time to Islamic conquest and which was at one time included in the Caliphate but which have since reverted back to the control of its non-Muslims inhabitants. These territories include, Kashmir, Chechnya, Spain , ISRAEL, Bosnia and all territory that was ever under the dominion of Islam throughout history.
2. Unification (Tawheed): The dismantling of all the Greater Middle East Arab nation state entities and borders and the unification of that territory under one common Islamic superstate.
3. Re-establishment of the Caliphate Khilafa and resumption of the external Jihad of conquest (Fatah) against the non-muslim world Dar al-Harb. `
Mohammed had the choice to spread his religion through violent means, because he converted local warlords at an early stage. Nobody is stupid enough to turn to violence when you are 13 guys living in a country controlled by the strongest army of that time, which is commanded by a pagan emperor.

But when Christianity got some more military power behind, it started spreading with a violence that is still unmatched. Examples of places that were christened through violent means: South America, Africa, several European regions. For example Finland, which was christened with armed forces three times, because the inhabitants went back to their pagan ways after the two first times.
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Old 10-03-2007, 08:39 AM   #50 (permalink)
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although i am not for the chritian religion.....and i really dont like hughes....i didnt find that he was pushing religion down anyones throat....perhaps his just doing what his religion says preaching the word of the lord....

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