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post #11 of 24 (permalink) Old 10-24-2007, 11:10 PM
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This is just getting stupid. He tells his fighter how to win, and they ignore him and lose. What are they doing? Go back to the amateur leagues if you can't listen to the guy training you.

Plus, there is no reason they should have given Barrera $5000 for his fight. It was pathetic. He almost knocks him out and he does nothing to go in for the kill. The other guy throws a missing kick, and Barrera sits back, giving the guy time to regain his balance. Foe a guy giving up 8" of reach, he sure was content staying on the outside and eating kicks. What a douche bag. They should have charged him $5000.


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How can we say for certain when he hasn't been placed in that position? I mean really, how can we say for certain how he'd act when he's up five to one, and has no idea what it's like to have his fighters ignore him? We can't.

Not to mention, he resorted to swearing and cussing like a teenager during the entire Joey situation, so none of us can say that Serra doesn't have a bit of 'Matt Hughes' in him. Honestly.
For me, the difference with Serra is he's genuine. He's a dick sometimes, he gets excited easily and you see all of that. He is who he is unapologetically.

Hughes tries to act the good guy then shows his true colors. He's petty and childish, but tries to act like his s**t doesn't stink.
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YES. this episode just reaffirms my dislike of matt hughes. i understand wanting your team to do well, but really... are you gonna get made at them for the choices they make in the ring? its THEIR fight. you can tell them what you think they should do and hope they follow through. but if they choose not to heed your advice then you can't be mad at them! its not your fight!
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For me, the difference with Serra is he's genuine. He's a dick sometimes, he gets excited easily and you see all of that. He is who he is unapologetically.
I can respect that. You can see that in Serra. He does get upset, as you said, but his anger typically seems to stem from the fact that fighters are letting themselves down. He doesn't want to see these kids blow a once in a life time opportunity, especially when it could have gone to someone whom probably wanted it all the more.

Hughes gets upset because his image is being shattered. But I can't blame the guy. I really can't. People can say that he's at fault as a coach, but what can he do with these kids to make them listen when they simply don't want to, short of beating the hell out of them? Some of you sit there and say his methods are not affective, but when he comes back next week and works his guys into the ground, you'll be on these boards, chiming in about how much of an asshole he truly is. So in the end, the guy just can't win with some of you, no matter what he does... admit your blatant bias! lol.
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YES. this episode just reaffirms my dislike of matt hughes. i understand wanting your team to do well, but really... are you gonna get made at them for the choices they make in the ring? its THEIR fight. you can tell them what you think they should do and hope they follow through. but if they choose not to heed your advice then you can't be mad at them! its not your fight!
I disagree. That's like saying that a quarter back should make the play that's in his heart, and not the one which his coach has laid before him, one which is likely to win the Superbowl. Matt Hughes is there as a coach. He's there to train these fighters, and instill in them the idea that every fighter has something to fall back on... a strength that acts as the ultimate game plan. You cator to that strength, especially when it can result in your getting the victory.

If these guys could take the mentality that it's their fight, and that they can do as they please, then there's really no purpose for coaches on the show. Matt Hughes is doing what he can as a coach... he's there to make certain these fighters go in and work to their strengths, not their weaknesses, as any trainer or coach would do. And he has every right to be upset when these guys refuse to listen to him... letting your downed opponent rest for minutes at a time is not a smart move. Any fighter would know that.
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The problem here, for Matt Hughes, is that he picked his own fighters, and he's picked 1/2 the fights. And he's getting crushed. Is it because he's an ineffective coach? Possibly. I mean, looking at the Penn-Pulver TUF, it's like he picked 5 Andy Wangs -- but he picked all of them! At least BJ got saddled with Wang because of the whole "who wants to be on my team" thing.

Hughes is opening his own training gym (H.I.T. Squad or something). After this show, will a lot of people really want to join?
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YES. this episode just reaffirms my dislike of matt hughes. i understand wanting your team to do well, but really... are you gonna get made at them for the choices they make in the ring? its THEIR fight. you can tell them what you think they should do and hope they follow through. but if they choose not to heed your advice then you can't be mad at them! its not your fight!
That's a bit unfair. You NEED to listen to your corner. The flip side of that is your corner needs to EARN your respect. That's what I see 5 losses exposing about Matt Hughes. He doesn't treat his fighters like people he's training and they don't trust him like you need to trust a corner.
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Hughes is stuck with a bunch of Andy Wangs this season, and I can't really blame him for getting frustrated as hell.
ha ha, Andy Wang.lol
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Matt Hughes knows how to fight. If he tells you to do something, listen to him. It's that simple. I have no animosity towards either coach and I can understand the frustration that Hughes is going through. No one likes to lose and no one likes to be a coach that isn't heard.
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Maybe Serra's fighters listen to him because he is a better coach.

It is a poor carpenter who blames his tools.
Or..."There are no bad teams...just bad team leaders"

I was totally waiting for someone to bring this to light! Good on ya. Personally...I think Matt Serra is a Napoleon-complexed prick as well, but I DO believe that Hughes has shown that he SUCKS as a coach. Some people just cannot get anyone to follow them. He has EARNED zero respect and zero trust of his team. Yes, it HAS to be EARNED. I was in the Navy for 20 years and when MY Sailors or Marines failed at something it was on MY shoulders as their Chief.

Matt Hughes wants everyone to revere him and he obviously holds himself in very high regard. He is indeed a great fighter...never in dispute. But he has an ego a mile wide that can only be satisfied by people telling him how great he is and by "teaching a lesson the hard way"...ie...beating up on someone who he is supposed to be training. That ain't training folks...that is punishment and public humiliation. And it is one of the LEAST effective methods available to teach anything.

You teach by example and so far the only things that Hughes has shown is (a) when you lose I am gonna punish everyone and (b) losses are NEVER my fault...it is the fighter himself that is SOLELY to blame.

Also...Dana saying on the show last night that "you just gotta go beat the crap out of 'em..." shows HIS cro-magnon mentality as well.

I still want Hughes to beat the crap outa "The Mouth of Jersey" Serra, take his belt back, and then have GSP come back and demolish MH to regain his Welterweight title.

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