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Old 10-26-2007, 05:22 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I'm sorry but what kind of B.S. was that! If anything he should be fined $5000 for the performance he put on!... He just stood thier while Ben was on the ground resting!
I agree. He looked terrible, in my view he lost both rounds.
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Old 10-26-2007, 08:55 PM   #22 (permalink)
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That whole fight was pathetic. Like, Dan was just hilarious in there, and I'm not quite sure what, in the hell, he was going for with the constant jogging and what-not. I don't think eating kicks with your face is a good defense strategy.

Also, I had Ben winning both rounds. Dan had the knockdown, and then slapped Ben's knee's for a little bit. He still ate kicks and was almost subbed.
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Old 10-26-2007, 10:08 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Dan won the first. Ben won the second (and yes, I am impressed with his kicks). There should have been a third, but Ben would've probably knocked out or dominated Dan. Dana gave Dan the money because there should've been a third round, evem though Dan's fate was inevitably doomed in he third.
Watch the fight again. Dan had one good punch that floored Ben. Ben came back and stole the round. I saw the fight first round Ben 10-9, second round Ben 10-8


Dana gave Dan the cash because of the sob story Dan told him--about his psycho wife and him quitting his fireman's job back home and his 2 horses and his dog that he needs to take care of...it was obviously pity cash
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Old 10-26-2007, 10:24 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Dana gave Dan the cash because of the sob story Dan told him--about his psycho wife and him quitting his fireman's job back home...
Thats exactly right.
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Old 10-27-2007, 12:16 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Actually I am glad Dan got the money. I also have too give Dana Kudos for that, for obvious reasons. Nothing wrong with helping someone out. AND Dan's gain is no one's loss.

And honestly I wouldn't mind seeing all the guys that have too leave get 5K. They do put a lot into being there, make sacrifices, and living in testosterone-ville cut off from the world is not a joke either. Anyone that has been to basic training or OCS knows that as well.
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Old 10-27-2007, 01:41 AM   #26 (permalink)
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I do think there should have been another round, i dont think Dan's performance was good. I do think it was the best or one of the best so far. That doesnt say much tho. I expected more from Dan.

Can someone tell me what Dan's strategy was suppose to be? I mean is he GNP guy or a ground guy? I ask because i dont know.
of course that makes him a bad fighter.. if you can't keep your composure in a fight, then obviously you're not good at it..

look at the guys in the nba.. the veterans have a natural nak for the game. however, the rookies are likely to be gun shy and shit like that. they make a lot of mistakes because they're not mentally ready. if you can't compete well when it matters, then what the hell are you doing in the fight game? dan is a joke.
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Old 10-27-2007, 02:04 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Whats funny is it was not even Dana's idea to give them any money it was the spanish guy from Serra's team who told Dana they deserved a bonus for the fight. The way everyone talks it was Dana's idea and it wasnt. The fight was good if you like watching one guy get his ass kicked for 2 rounds.
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Old 10-27-2007, 02:08 AM   #28 (permalink)
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To all of you who are talking sh*t about Dan Barrera, shut the hell up. The guy had the balls to step in the cage after getting a call from a freaked out wife. Plenty of fighters dropped out of matches for less (those guys are *****s but it's beside the point).

Dan's performance in the Octagon was alright. I was expecting more from him as far as following up, but he fell into a solid rubber guard on the part of Ben, I think that freaked him out a little, especially after being submitted pretty harshly by Hughes in practice (not exactly a great confidence builder going into a fight).

I'm not going to say that I was impressed with Dan, because I wasn't. From a technical standpoint, his ground game doesn't exist and his head movement is slow and lazy. I was yelling at the screen for him to weave. I'm a short guy and when I'm trying to exchange, I'm always thinking weave in and get close for those quick punches and knees. He also didn't use any leg kicks, and Ben didn't look like he could have handled any, so I thought that might have been a good gameplan.

Ben looked like a solid groundfighter, but realistically, his standup isn't that good. A smart fighter would know to stop his jabs with body kicks and slow him down with leg kicks, then weave inside to mix it up or go for the takedown. The rubberguard he put on Dan looked like it was worked on pretty well, which doesn't surprise me given that he's one of Team Serra's guys, but I didn't think he looked a bit rushed and not too sure about whether he was going for a rubber triangle, a traditional triangle, an omo, a gogo, an inverted armbar or any of the other moves that usually come from a rubber guard. So while the position was solid, he didn't look like he was going to do any damage, which is too bad because if he did, he would have been able to finish that fight when it first hit the ground.

The punches that Barrera landed looked solid, and with his build I expected that. He's definitely got some body substance and, like pretty much every short guy who fights, he turns his hips into his punches. To say he only hit Ben once is just stupid, because he landed a couple of shots, one that looked like it did some serious damage to Ben's nose. That said, he wasn't able to capitalize on the two or three shots that put Ben on his back because he was afraid of that rubber guard. (that was pretty wimpy and showed a lack of understanding for the groundgame)

If Barrera had been as agressive in that fight as the video had shown he is in training, I think he would have pounded out Ben when they first hit the ground, but I don't know if it was a combination of worry about his woman, hand problems, getting whupped by Matt Hughes in training and simply not being very confident or well versed on the ground that led him to not do it.

That said, I think that I can understand Dana sliping Barrera the money for his personal troubles, and I'd be interesting to see if he gets brought back, either for the finale or for the long term, because I think he's got some good potential as a brawler. Hopefully he'll end up somewhere where he can work on his BJJ and wrestling and get comfortable on the ground, as well as work on some boxing. If he does that, then he's got some potential.

The fight was definitely a good solid brawl though, even if I didn't think Ben was that great.
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Old 10-27-2007, 03:01 AM   #29 (permalink)
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MAN! That's totally what I was going to say. Pity cash. Anyway, to reply to an earlier post about Dan's experience, this is only his second fight, so I believe his lack of experience played a factor in the fight. I don't think he was all there mentally either. I mean, more than usual. According to Hughes' blog, Dan had one previous MMA fight, but I'm not seeing anything confirming that anywhere else.
My thought on the fight is that it ended when Herb Dean waved the fight off. He asked Barrera a couple times if he can see, he said no, and waved it off. Then he asked one more time and continued the fight. I didn't get that. I've seen many fights stopped early because of blood in the eyes or maybe some misperception, but it's NEVER restarted after the ref calls it off. Even if it's a bad call, it's over.
Despite the bad call, I feel that Barrera may have lost a point for lack of aggression or even timidity. How much time did he waste standing above Ben? Then he starts jogging around the octagon. If he didn't feel comfortable taking the fight to the ground, he should have let him up to continue the fight where he is comfortable -- on the feet.

Of course, hindsight is 20/20, and I have never stepped in the octagon, so I respect him for being there. He did have a lot of stuff going on, but judging by his personality and ability, I think he should stick to boxing. He definitely doesn't want to mess up his pretty face. MMA makes him look like an alien. Check out that post-fight face. Maybe that look will keep him out of the bathroom during training.
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Old 10-27-2007, 10:19 AM   #30 (permalink)
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My thought on the fight is that it ended when Herb Dean waved the fight off. He asked Barrera a couple times if he can see, he said no, and waved it off. Then he asked one more time and continued the fight. I didn't get that. I've seen many fights stopped early because of blood in the eyes or maybe some misperception, but it's NEVER restarted after the ref calls it off. Even if it's a bad call, it's over.

Exactly

And Ironman, I have to disagree with your opinion of Ben's performance. His striking looked pretty damn good. Maybe it was becasue Dan was defending strikes with his face, but those kicks were pretty accurate. He also seemed to be very confident throwing those kicks but maybe it was because he wasn't afraid of Dan taking him down. I don't think it would have mattered if the fight had went to the ground or stayed on the feet. Ben's striking and ground game were both way better than Dan's.
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