View Poll Results: Who's to blame?

vancitypimp · 11-01-2007, 05:15 AM

Matt Serra is just the better coach. Serra when not training for a fight also runs BJJ schools where he trains and teaches all kinds of people, giving him a better idea of what peoples strenghts and weaknesses are.

Matt Hughes is a Farmer, and doesn't have the necessery "people skills" to out coach a guy like Serra. Matt Hughes assumes that every fighter should be like him and train like him, but it doesn't work like that because everybody's different.

Alienspy · 11-01-2007, 07:18 AM

I think one of the biggest reasons, aside from the drill training/injuries hughes puts his guys through , is that Serra's team can HEAR him during the fight. During most of the fights you rarely hear hughes corner, making instructions and actual technique type commands. Where as serra's voice is plain and clear , you can hear that dude a hundred miles away. That comes down again, to him being a teacher already at a school, whereas hughes is a farmer outside of Ufc.

Maximus · 11-01-2007, 09:23 AM

As much as I hate to admit it, I gotta agree with Alienspy to the extent that you can't help but hear Serra's instructions. Even JROck admitted that he heard everything Serra said during his fight.

Also though, I have to agree that most of these fighters are extremely inexperienced compared to previous seasons. I honestly don't believe that this season's fighters are as hungry as previous seasons. Those guys would've walked on hot coals to get to the training sessions. Then Hughes' team gets into the cage and freezes up or just doesn't listen. WTF? I'll go out on a limb and say that if circumstances had been different and Serra had been on Hughes' team during his season, while their egos may have clashed, Serra would've listened to Hughes more than this season does just becuase Serra was hungrier and more experienced.

Lastly, I'll even agree that Hughes does believe the fighters should be more like him. In his mind, I'm sure that he thinks, "I work my @ss off and I've won, defended, lost and reclaimed this title more than anyone else in this division. Why wouldn't they want to do the things that got me where I am?" Admittedly, Hughes/MFS's training ethic is probably just as grueling as boot camp and not for the fairweather MMA practitioner or the egotistical. These guys train hard to fight hard, and it's a pretty proven system. But when you come in with less then 10 pro fights and think that you know more than the tried & true coach with 48 pro fights, there's a problem.

jonnypimps · 11-01-2007, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Alienspy

I think one of the biggest reasons, aside from the drill training/injuries hughes puts his guys through , is that Serra's team can HEAR him during the fight. During most of the fights you rarely hear hughes corner, making instructions and actual technique type commands. Where as serra's voice is plain and clear , you can hear that dude a hundred miles away. That comes down again, to him being a teacher already at a school, whereas hughes is a farmer outside of Ufc.

this a point worth further discussion... it seems hughes' fighters ALWAYS get hurt right before their fight... it could be circumstantial but it happens so often that it has become an obvious issue, i know you should always train at 100% but he's hurting his guys right before their fights to the point they need hospital attention, that aint right.

DropKick · 11-01-2007, 04:48 PM

I think Serra is just a better coach, but more importantly he selected the fighters that he felt had heart and were teachable. I think Hughes just picked the guys that he had previously heard of or had a "bigger name". Also, the guys that Hughes selected seemed to be more athletic / physically gifted, but Serras guys seemed to be mentally tougher. You can't teach heart and mental toughness. Matt Hughes is a mentally tough guy and has an outstanding work ethic. I think he expects the fighters he's coaching to be the same and they aren't. This is probably what frustrates him the most. Also, Mac Danzig is a miserable prick.

AtomDanger · 11-01-2007, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by hammafist

i think team Serra has better chemistry. it seemed like hughes picked big guys at the tryouts while Serra picked guys that he felt he could work with.

Repped. I agree 100 percent. I think Serra's team is just that. I think he went more on attitude and heart than who he thought was the best. It seems to have worked.

**bbjd7** · 11-01-2007, 05:00 PM

Honestly some of the fights Serra's team won because there fighter was better. George is better than anyone on the show beside possibly Mac. Bowman isn't a good fighter. Half of there team is decent but honestly J Rock and Mac are supposed to be there best two guys. J Rock fought Serra's best guy and Mac advanced. Otherwise Billy Miles has never done anything in his MMA career, Barrera doesn't have any pro fights, Georgieff is average, and Dorian Price is a Muay Thai guy who got taken down a beat.

Matt Hughes is a great coach but honestly his team isn't very good and most of the guys on his team aren't pro fighters. Bowman isn't, Barrera isn't, and the rest of the guys don't have very good records.

**GMW** · 11-01-2007, 05:13 PM

I think Serra has the genuinely better fighters. Matt hughes coaching isn't the reason imo. Losses don't always come back to coaching, barrera just didn't listen and like last night, George is just a very good fighter, better then jarod (sp?).

**Lotus** · 11-01-2007, 09:57 PM

i honestly think it is Hughes training regimen and attitude, Serra trains his fighters with respect and they work together while Hughes trains them like dogs it reminds me of a boot camp and pushes them far to hard and as you can see has injured a few of his fighters albeit slightly but an injury nonetheless. His attitude is also very disheartening for his team and you can see the difference in attitudes between the teams.

**Biowza** · 11-02-2007, 02:57 AM

Quite a few of Hughes' losses are because of fighters not listening to him. I mean Paul, Dan, etc all didn't listen to a word hughes said. Doesn't matter how good of a coach you are, if your fighters don't listen then you are going to look bad.