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View Poll Results: Who's to blame?
Matt Hughes' Coaching 24 29.27%
Selection of Fighters (Serra's got a better team) 14 17.07%
Fighters not listening to coach 26 31.71%
Shit happens (luck, circumstances, etc...) 18 21.95%
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post #21 of 28 (permalink) Old 11-02-2007, 04:03 AM
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The "fighters don't listen" option would work, but I think the reason they aren't listening is because Hughes hasn't earned it.
Exactly my sentiments. Hughes isn't building anyone's self asteem in training except his own. You don't listen to someone you don't respect, simple. As for Barrera, he doesn't look the full shilling anyway. Watch him when Mac's speaking to him, he's not even on the same planet. But between injuries and not listening, if you think it's coincidence it's all happening on the same team I'd hate to see some of your bets.

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post #22 of 28 (permalink) Old 11-02-2007, 01:14 PM Thread Starter
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How do you know if Matt Hughes is looking through your keyhole? You can see both his eyes.

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hahaha i dunno if thats an old joke but its my first time seeing it... hilarious
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post #23 of 28 (permalink) Old 11-02-2007, 01:25 PM
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I think it started with the fourth option-- "shit happens"-- but i think bad morale might have kicked in after that.
...But then it went back to "shit happens".
I was so sure J-Rock would take that win. When the ref pulled them apart i was cringing thinking "Shit-Shit! Matt Hughes is gonna have a baby on national television!"
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post #24 of 28 (permalink) Old 11-02-2007, 03:54 PM
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I would say a combination of options B, C, & D. Especially D.

There has been a lot of crap happening to Hughes team before they fight. Whether it's a dead cousin, swollen hand, crazy/retarded religious kook girlfriend, Bruised ribs.... And then just the fact that it is a sport where anything can happen.


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post #25 of 28 (permalink) Old 11-03-2007, 02:33 AM
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I think this was just a coincidence. Hughes has coached before.

The fighters also need to realize that if their team 'sucks' this is still about them as individuals. It is not a team event, other than how the team does can be a motivational factor.

It just seems like the self-centered guys still do well on teams that don;t do so well- Like Ed Herman on Shammy's team, and Mac Danzig on Hughes team.
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I believe it's a combination of all BUT "sh!t happens." There are many coaching styles, and it seems Hughes has employed the "break 'em down and build 'em up" method. The problem is, he breaks them down, and forgets to build them back up again. He ends up crushing them mentally, physically, and emotionally. He has the right to be frustrated, yes. His guys are not listening to him, that is obvious... But why? I believe his guys have completely lost respect for him as a coach, and they know that he has given up on them. It seems to me that his fighters know that Hughes is mostly concerned about himself, his fight, and winning. They must feel like they're on their own in the octagon. Hughes definitely got the short end of the stick with his picks, but he could have helped them overcome. I believe he's just too self-involved.
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Just a case of shit happens.

Heads and Tails have equal odds and the odds have just been in Serras favour.

This sort of thing happened to Team No Love, Bj Penn's Team and Shamrock's Team. Hughes has been a coach on this show before, and is an accomplished fighter and historical Champion, he knows how to make fighters. period.

Shamrock ran his own gym for many years and trained some good guys, and is currently working as a coach in the IFL, he knows how to make fighters. period.

Bj I assume has his own gym(s) down in Hawaii, this man is such a good fighter it would be impossible not to learn from him.

Team No Love was a bunch of vets whom in turn had the aid of Randy Couture, GSP, Franklin, Liddell and to a lesser extent, Laimon. They are fighters who've been in this game before and know how to learn, teach and fight on their own. They have fellow Teammates in the same boat as them to push them on. Seasoned Vets on the same Team as you, if there is a bigger thing to pump your ass up then I haven't heard it.

Point I wanted to make is that your going to learn just as much as the other guys and that in the fights, shit does happen, fighters lose and teams lose, it happens.

But of course it doesnt hurt that Serra is a full time teacher himself.
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Just a case of shit happens.

Heads and Tails have equal odds and the odds have just been in Serras favour.


The rest of your post is generalizing way to much IMO. 'Shit happens' doesn't really cut it in my book. Hughes drew with Franklin in TUFII & we can all remember Franklin's class piece of advice. Hughes had the same choice as Serra and he didn't pick well, if you blame it on them individually. Also in the earlier seasons, the fighters were much more experienced and didn't need coaching quite as much. It's natural that one coach will be better than the other but his conduct in loss is pityful and no way to act as a role model.
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