[yorT]

Originally Posted by bbjd7

Dante trains under Renzo Gracie so I'm not sure why you think he's a wrestler. Watch the fight again or at least the first and especially the end of the third. When Dante had side control he was defiantly going for submissions. He went for a number of Kimura's and a couple of arm triangles.

Also I didn't say they were good submission attempts I said they were attempts the guy gassed out somewhere around the middle of round 1 but that's a different problem.

He was the one pinning Brandon against the cage Brandon didn't try and push the pace when they were seprated and he didn't close down angles. When Dante was in the Guard he did nothing I will give you that outside of his failed leg lock. But when he had side mount he was defiantly active.

Brando had more energy than dante and brando didn't try to close the distance because he didn't want dante to just push him against the fence. Every punch brando threw was followed by dante shooting in.

Even when dante was in brando's guard he was hitting brando's face with punches and elbows. While brando was just laying there.

Just because someone starts to put their arms around there neck doesn't automatically mean arm triangle.

[yorT]

Originally Posted by bbjd7

I think people rip on Mazagetti a little much. He doesn't do a great job but to be honest there isn't a ref who does a ton of fights who isn't blasted on teh forum. The only guy who didn't get ripped on was Big John and he retired. I mean Herb Dean is ripped on by people all the time as well it's a real tough job for anyone.

I think people are just jealous of steve. I personally hate when people bash they way someone refs.

[Fedor>all]

Originally Posted by bbjd7

I think people rip on Mazagetti a little much. He doesn't do a great job but to be honest there isn't a ref who does a ton of fights who isn't blasted on teh forum. The only guy who didn't get ripped on was Big John and he retired. I mean Herb Dean is ripped on by people all the time as well it's a real tough job for anyone.

You're forgetting Yves Lavigne, who might I add, rules.

As for the fight between Sene/Rivera, I wasn't impressed by either guy. Dante laid and gay'd to a win, humping Sene against the fence. Dante talks a big game, but I think if it was Riddle he was fighting, he would have lost.

Sene had pretty good takedown defense, and he listened to his coaches really well, especially in the clinch. He escaped sloppy submission attempts, and punished Dante in close quarters. You can really tell the knees to the body and legs wore Rivera out after the first round.

If I had to pick a winner, I'd say Sene should have been victorious. If you can take a guy down, and lay on him, and just eat punches and elbows, I really don't call that "controlling" the fight at all. Dante was hardly even striking, he was just looking for submissions and going nowhere with them. Sene looked better than Rivera, but he still wouldn't be my prospect to win the show.

As for May/Brown? I'm really excited for this fight. I love grudge matches, but at the same time, you have to laugh at how Brown is taking it so seriously.. it's just ****ing tobacco!

I really think that May is overestimating his stand-up, because he throws his punches way too "loopy" and he has a tendency to drop his hands and keep his head straight-up in the air. Seeing as there are two fights next episode, I predict that Brown knocks May out in the first.

[bbjd7]

Yort No it doesn't but when you put your arms around their neck and one arm and start putting your arms in a spot to lock in an arm triangle it does mean arm triangle.

And what you are saying is Brandon let Dante control the fight. I'm not arguing that Brandon did more damage but that's not all the judges decision is based on.

Dante controlled the fight I believe that has a lot to do with the scoring crteria.

Also I did forget about Yves but he doesn't ref nearly as many fights as Maz does.

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I have to re-watch that fight. I don't know if Sene just let up after he heard stop or if Dante was about to take him down just as Mazagetti was going to stop it.

[Alex_DeLarge]

Originally Posted by bbjd7

I think people rip on Mazagetti a little much. He doesn't do a great job but to be honest there isn't a ref who does a ton of fights who isn't blasted on teh forum. The only guy who didn't get ripped on was Big John and he retired. I mean Herb Dean is ripped on by people all the time as well it's a real tough job for anyone.

I can agree with this, but Maz deserves every bit of criticism he gets considering he is a terrible referee and everyone knows it dude.

When a ref tells 2 fighters to STOP STOP! Then he's supposed to stop the fight, not let one guy take the other guy down and basically just go "NEVERMIND, FIGHT!". It's like a referee in football blowing the whistle before the ball is thrown, then once it;s thrown and a receiver takes it to the house for 80 yards, he lets the TD go through.

He's just a bad ref man. I agree people get on Herb too much, especially since the Shamrock/Ortiz II incident which was a justifiable stoppage, but Mazzagetti is just terrible.

[bbjd7]

He's not good but it is a pretty tough job. I'm sure if he would've stood them back up many people would've been angry that he stood them up because they would've argued that Dante was already going to get the takedown.

[yorT]

Originally Posted by bbjd7

Yort No it doesn't but when you put your arms around their neck and one arm and start putting your arms in a spot to lock in an arm triangle it does mean arm triangle.

And what you are saying is Brandon let Dante control the fight. I'm not arguing that Brandon did more damage but that's not all the judges decision is based on.

Dante controlled the fight I believe that has a lot to do with the scoring crteria.

Also I did forget about Yves but he doesn't ref nearly as many fights as Maz does.

He didn't control the whole fight but i'd say about 60-70% of the fight plus he took way more damage. I just don't see how that equals a win.

Is jermey the one that beat rampages friend?

[Fedor>all]

Originally Posted by bbjd7

Dante controlled the fight I believe that has a lot to do with the scoring crteria.

My problem is that "control" is a very loose term, with regard to judging criteria. If you take a guy down, but can't do anything inside his guard, and he punishes you with elbows and punches, while you struggle to pass, how is that control? Sure, you got the fight to the ground, but you're being outworked, and taking more damage.

Doesn't make sense to me.

Originally Posted by yorT

Is jermey the one that beat rampages friend?

Yeah, he's sort of this season's version of Nate Diaz.

[Fedor>all]

EDIT: Sorry accidental double post.