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Old 06-19-2008, 02:56 AM   #31 (permalink)
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I distinctly remember from the episode Dana saying "That's it, he's out of the UFC".

And yes, Melvin Guillard could fight, in fact he fought Rich Clementi, to where he threatend to kill him before and after the fight.
Who the hell said he couldn't fight? I said he got put on probation (and he didn't fight while he was on probation).

And Dana did say that, and he told him to call him when he got his stuff together, I guarantee that we'll see Jesse Taylor in the UFC before this year ends.
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Old 06-19-2008, 03:01 AM   #32 (permalink)
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I think the point for Dana was that he was in public and in his bosses casino, had this been at some tribal casino outside of Fargo then this probably doesn't happen. This may not actually have been Dana's decision - the Fertitta's maybe directed him on this, ie pissed that it went down, and generate some ratings/publicity
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Old 06-19-2008, 03:01 AM   #33 (permalink)
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That could have been dealt with off tv. Dana White acted like a corporate stiff. It doesnt sound like he did anything illegal. I went to UFC website to see if there was any more video to justify the guy lossing a great opportunity. There didn't seem to be any more videos to say wow this guy doesn't desirve his shot. Even Forrest said "I can't really comment meaning he's done some embarrassing things too. I don't know but he did't even give the guy a chance to work it out.
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Old 06-19-2008, 03:27 AM   #34 (permalink)
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I distinctly remember from the episode Dana saying "That's it, he's out of the UFC".

And yes, Melvin Guillard could fight, in fact he fought Rich Clementi, to where he threatend to kill him before and after the fight.
I don't know who that wa directed to, so my bad if I missunderstand your point. if that was directed to me, like I said I'd be fine with Melvin being cut as soon as he tested positive for cocaine. So I think we are in agreement that he should be gone, along with several other fighters.

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I don't care what makes reality TV or not, destroying a house is about as ethical as getting drunk in public.
If someone tells me I can break their property for entertainment value, I don't see why it would be unethical. Idiotic and juvenile, certainly. I don't have an inherant problem with public intoxication, but people are still responsible for their actions.

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He were abusive and violent he would have been arrested and charges would have been dropped, neither of them occurred so it was him saying obscene words and being loud. Dude, if he "fought" at the casino it would have been shown on the episode. You're assuming way too much to back your theory up. The dude didn't fight anyone or get violent and yes, he would have been arrested. They would have said so on the show if anything of that occurrence happened and they wouldnt have brought it to him so gently if he got VIOLENT for christ sake.
I never said he was abusive or violent, I'm just not willing to automatically assume he was not simply because he was not arrested. Also, you are correct it's exceedingly likely he would have been arrested if he had fought, but you can be abusive and violent without actually hitting someone. Also, I think it's unlikely any video from the casino security cameras would have been shown, regardless of what he did because the Fertittas wouldn't want to show something negative happening to their customers at their casino. The parking lot video doesn't make them look bad.

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When I said people need a new outlook on life I was just simply stating that these things happen ALL THE TIME and it's not a big deal, and I'm sure it's not the first time with a young UFC fighter. If people think this is the first time it's happened and the consequences were justified and that it was so wrong and vile, then yeah they need a new outlook on how they look at things.
I don't know what he actually did in the casino, but just because something happens all the time doesn't make it right. And yes it could have been something wrong and vile, neither of us know for sure, but Dana does so I think he's in a better position to judge.

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No, but Dana did hype him up at the start of the show. I especially loved it when they mic'd up Dana White for CB's fight against Nick just to hear him say "This kid is ******* good man". Jesse isn't exciting, CB has credentials, no he doesn't have a large following but the odds are in favor towards him.
Maybe, but if Dana really wanted to manipulate the finals why wouldn't he do it for Amir? I don't think I'm alone in thinking Amir is a much more likable guy than CB. So if he wanted to pick a champion why wouldn't he just let Amir fight Tim instead?
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Old 06-19-2008, 03:37 AM   #35 (permalink)
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Hopperman has a little shameless behaviour in the past
scenario: You are in the running of getting a job at a bussiness. There is a time period between now and when the decsion if you got the job or not.

Before you part ways your boss says. Act professonal, handle youself in a reasonable manor.

Two days later, you get drunk, kick out a limo window, go into your bosses hotel and cause problems, and when security steps in you get hostile.


do you seriously expect to still be in the running for that job after that night??

Forget other ufc fighters and what they have done bc they are not on the show, its a different situations between ufc fighters and guys on the tuf show.

not saying fighters shouldnt be punished for illegel actions, but they are in a different situation than the tuf guys
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Old 06-19-2008, 04:13 AM   #36 (permalink)
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Bottom line is that Jess is an Idoit..you can't act like that in public...He should have gone to Jail for his actions...You know abiding by the law..lol..It's his own fault for bieng a Jack a s s
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Old 06-19-2008, 04:37 AM   #37 (permalink)
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jesse would destroy amir, but i gotta agree w/ dana's decision to kick him off. he got that shit on camera and his attitude was uncalled for. most of the guys on tuf make the sport look pretty bad w/ all their wild behavior.
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Old 06-19-2008, 06:44 AM   #38 (permalink)
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Who told Melvin Guillard it was okay to have possession of crack?
It's not okay to have crack, but they're entirely different situations altogether.

The Jesse incident damages the UFC's repuation a lot more than Guillard's possesion of crack.

Millions of people watched the Ultimate, especially since this was the last episode. Millions of people saw that Jesse acted like a drunken tough guy moron, an image that Dana and the Fertitas have been fighting to abolish ever since they bought the company.

The Jesse incident was a public one. The Guillard incident was private.


If Guillard ever went on to a famous reality show that was watched by millions, had crack on him, started breaking windows, and when approached by security, he yelled out, "Do you know who I am? I'M A UFC FIGHTER GOD DAMMIT!", then you have a point, but they're two totally different situations.
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Old 06-19-2008, 08:06 AM   #39 (permalink)
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scenario: You are in the running of getting a job at a bussiness. There is a time period between now and when the decsion if you got the job or not.

Before you part ways your boss says. Act professonal, handle youself in a reasonable manor.

Two days later, you get drunk, kick out a limo window, go into your bosses hotel and cause problems, and when security steps in you get hostile.


do you seriously expect to still be in the running for that job after that night??

Forget other ufc fighters and what they have done bc they are not on the show, its a different situations between ufc fighters and guys on the tuf show.

not saying fighters shouldnt be punished for illegel actions, but they are in a different situation than the tuf guys
Seriously, SPOT ON. I would have agreed completely with AlexDeLarge, If it wasn't for Dana's direct orders that they would behave respectfully and be good representants for thge UFC. Doing what Jesse did, AND using the "I'm a UFC fighter" line to the security guards wasn't smart at all.

Using the "drunk" argument is not helping. SO WHAT if he was drunk? He's still responsible for every action he commits when he's drunk. If he can't handle it (which he and everyone who watched the show knows he can't) Then he shouldn't drink!

Also, Leben serves his time in Jail and Melvin did his time for his coke abuse. Jesse got a temporary leave of absence, but he'll probably be back. Jesse is doing his "time".

Also, after that submission loss to Amir, how the heck was Tim considered an easy opponent?
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Old 06-19-2008, 11:57 AM   #40 (permalink)
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clearly Jesse acted like an idiot and we have no idea what went on, and those of you who are saying it couldnt have been that bad haven't considered that if it was in the Fertitta's casino and it involves a UFC fighter they propbly do everything they can to sort it out withouth the police just better for business that way.
Harsh or not, but the guy in the hall way with Jesse in the video, i would swear is CB, so if that is him, he was actually first out of the limo, and cannot believe he was totally innocent if he was with Jesse all night, just a thought.
Although the conspiracy theorists might be pushing it too far to say Dana engineered CB into the final. Pretty sure we see Jesse in the UFC or the WEC in the very near future.
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