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Old 06-20-2008, 12:12 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I agree with this.

Dana White's first priortiy is to generate more money and therefore he wanted a more appealing fight to the masses to get as large a pay per view as possible adn Sadollah vs Dollaway was that fight for him.
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Old 06-20-2008, 12:18 PM   #12 (permalink)
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i dont think JT could have fought again and again after his fight with creduer when he's on the ground vomiting his brains into a bucket.

I think jesse deserved what happened to him. these guys are considered professional athletes and they should behave as such.

but i also think dana kinda used this as a way to get CB back on the show.
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Old 06-20-2008, 12:22 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Dude, that's how professional athletes are supposed to behave.

And he threw up because he ate eggs. Otherwise he was totally ready to go. I bet he could go all night
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Old 06-20-2008, 01:00 PM   #14 (permalink)
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First off, I love UFC fights. I can't help it.

But, if anybody has any doubt as to whether the Jesse Taylor "firing" was a pure Dana White stitch up, they probably also think that WWE events are less real than De La Hoya events.

The UFC couldn't give a flying f*ck about the conduct of their "stars" at this point: MMA is huge, the UFC is sponsored by Bud Light - even "The Donald" is involved. MMA is now a bona fide money-maker and the number one criteria for a fighter's success is marketability. Jesse Taylor is a young guy who got drunk, kicked in a window, and yelled at some hotel staff (in sleepy Las Vegas no less). Big deal. He is, as he said, "a UFC fighter." For all of you who can't handle the fact that the spectrum of prize fighters has an abundance of confused meatheads, I dunno... buy Matt Hughes stupid book.

The sad truth is Jesse Taylor is a super-human athlete - to his detriment. He has a winning formula, and he executes it consistently and flawlessly. No matter the discipline of his opponents, he takes them down at will, pins their arms back, and pounds them for the rest of the fight (while they do nothing). Furthermore, have you ever seen a fighter look less tired after a three round fight? He literally could step back into the cage and fight - and win - again (and again, and again...). Take the Taylor vs. Credeur fight, for example, and then Dolloway. vs. Credeur fight. No comparison.

Sadollah and Dollaway are great fighters to be sure, but Taylor would completely dominate either of them in the finale. Unfortunately, it would be a completely boring fight; and, more importantly, the fans would cry. TUF has produced enough bums already (Evans, Bisping, etc.) while the majority of fans want to see hot boyz stand and bang. Imagine if sexy C.B. Dollaway had made the finale and it was him that went off that night. It would have been left to the media to create a free promotional bonanza for White and the Zuffa crew. If anything, the UFC would have gained even more popularity: fight fans love a*sholes.

The bottom line is, well, the bottom line. Sadollah and Dollaway appeal to the following demographics: young guys, young girls, gays, and the masses of casual fight fans who like to see a good bust up. Jesse Taylor appeals to fight-nerds - i.e., people who like to see the best man win. It should be noted that Taylor certainly doesn't lay and pray - he grounds and pounds as good as anyone. Unfortunately, it just isn't exciting. If you were running a business, who would you promote? Is it even a coincidence that both Dollaway and Sadollah have "doll" in their names?

I guess the worst part is (perhaps) that media groups like Sherdog, who seem to pride themselves on being independent, haven't even suggested that this season's TUF finale is bullsh*t. I guess they're afraid that the UFC would go from virtually ignoring them, to completely ignoring them.

Prediction: Taylor won't be calling White in a few months when he gets his head right. White will be calling Taylor when he needs someone to get rid of other pesky boring but successful fighters - like the "work the clock/win by decision" artist, Lyoto Machida
One big cry session that seems to be in line with a few of the other trolls. Sorry man but for the most part I think Dana would just say and do as he feels, like he always dose. If Dana doesn't like Jesse Taylor's fight style and he was on the edge for only that reason, he still would be fighting for a contract right now. But even if we give your little theory some credibility and say hell yeah Dana didn't like that guy and was looking to fire him........so what>? The moron still had to give Dana a reason and guess what, he did he gave him some good ones. I dont like it but I understand where Dana is coming from.
We dont even know what Jesse Taylor said the the chicks or who the girls he got aggressive with are, but Im thinking that's more the icing on the cake.

Regardless of how you spin it, it was Jesse Taylor that kicked out that window and made a seen in vegas not Dana white, it was Jesse Taylor who got smashed before the largest fight of his MMA career and made himself look just about as compulsive as can be, it was Jesse Taylor who has a lazy fight style that Dana didn't like and to that I say so what, Hes the fu*king president of the UFC if he thinks you're a boring ass fighter better take notice and get exciting LOL.

Dana White didn't fuuck over Taylor, Jesse Taylor did that all by himself.
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Old 06-20-2008, 01:14 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Dude, that's how professional athletes are supposed to behave.

And he threw up because he ate eggs. Otherwise he was totally ready to go. I bet he could go all night
Professional athletes are supossed to behave like jackasses? Yeah, great theory man, makes sense .

Edit: And if you think that Jesse could lay a finger on Lyoto you are on crack.

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These TUF threads seem to be degenerating into a solid case of fighter bashing and ridiculously un-thought out posts.

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Dude, that's how professional athletes are supposed to behave.
Wait, since when are professional athletes supposed to damage person property, get wasted out of their minds, and act like a complete ass when confronted by the security at his employers' casino? I actually like Jesse Taylor and don't even find him boring, but he ****ed himself on this one.
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Old 06-20-2008, 02:50 PM   #19 (permalink)
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One big cry session that seems to be in line with a few of the other trolls. Sorry man but for the most part I think Dana would just say and do as he feels, like he always dose. If Dana doesn't like Jesse Taylor's fight style and he was on the edge for only that reason, he still would be fighting for a contract right now. But even if we give your little theory some credibility and say hell yeah Dana didn't like that guy and was looking to fire him........so what>? The moron still had to give Dana a reason and guess what, he did he gave him some good ones. I dont like it but I understand where Dana is coming from.
We dont even know what Jesse Taylor said the the chicks or who the girls he got aggressive with are, but Im thinking that's more the icing on the cake.

Regardless of how you spin it, it was Jesse Taylor that kicked out that window and made a seen in vegas not Dana white, it was Jesse Taylor who got smashed before the largest fight of his MMA career and made himself look just about as compulsive as can be, it was Jesse Taylor who has a lazy fight style that Dana didn't like and to that I say so what, Hes the fu*king president of the UFC if he thinks you're a boring ass fighter better take notice and get exciting LOL.

Dana White didn't fuuck over Taylor, Jesse Taylor did that all by himself.
I totally agree.

Its no secret that Dana is always looking to make the big bucks.
That there is always 'an agenda' to Dana that might be contrary to what is 'right'.

Yet JT *STILL* did that stupid crap.

Its as if Dana's motives to make money was a secret that the fighters never knew about... geezus... stop making JT out as the victim here.

Even if we give credence to the 'Dana's hidden agenda' theory... it should be to no-one surprise... least of all the fighters in TUF tv show.

Im even willing to accept that Dana loaded up the limo with all of JT's favorite booze, threw a wad of cash into his pocket and TOLD him to go party it up... that he was a UFC fighter and he should be proud of it...

That STILL doesnt excuse JT from doing what he did.
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Whether or not Jesse was disciplined too harshly will always be an issue for debate. Fact is, Dana did what needed to be done. If making it to the TUF finale was enough to send Jesse on a bit of a 'rampage,' imagine what main eventing, or fighting top contenders in the UFC could do to him. This is a point people are overlooking. Jesse may have been screwed. Jesse may have gotten what he deserved. But more importantly, this was Dana White trying to save Jesse from himself, and if Jesse truly has gone home, cut drinking out of his life, and is training even harder than before to make his dream come true, then White may have done this kid a big favour. Trust me. I'm very rarely an optimist, but I see a lot of good coming from this situation, even if it did mean rock bottom for Jesse.

I'd also like to point out that I never saw the deal with classifying Jesse as a boring fighter. I will admit that his fight with Dante was less than stellar, but when he fought Tim... I thought it was a great showing by Jesse. He overpowered him, and was constantly trying to pound his opponent out. Some say he lays on top of other fighters for 10-15 minutes straight, but I tell you, I don't see it. I see a kid who is definitely a ground fighter, but a ground fighter whom is constantly trying to work and looking to pound his opponent into submission, and I can enjoy that, especially when he lands those devestating power shots, or goes into a flurry of connecting hits. I know this new breed of fan who boos the second a fight goes to the ground may not appreciate such strategy, but surely that means something to the rest of us, whom are perhaps a little more educated on the matter in that we've seen it happen, and thus know how exciting a solid, effective ground and pound session can actually be. Am I alone, here?

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