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Old 06-22-2008, 06:41 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Here is how I see it. CB was staring to tap (which he actually started to with the one tap) then decided against it but he was already in the procces so Herb Dean stopped the fight because CB started to tap.
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Old 06-22-2008, 06:47 PM   #52 (permalink)
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However, when I get a copy of the Pro Wrestling Rulebook. The one used by WWE or TNA etc. I found this:

Submission

John Cena applying his submission move, the STFU, on Batista.To score by submission, the wrestler must make his opponent give up, usually, but not necessarily, by putting him in a submission hold (i.e., figure four leg-lock, arm-lock,Crippler Crossface etc.).

Passing out in a submission hold constitutes a loss by knockout. To determine if a wrestler has passed out in WWE, the referee usually picks up and drops his hand. If it drops three consecutive times without the wrestler having the strength to stop it from falling, the wrestler is considered to have passed out. At one point this was largely ignored, however the rule is now much more commonly observed for safety reasons. If the wrestler has considered to have passed out, the opponent then scores by submission.

A wrestler may voluntarily submit by verbally informing the referee. Also, a wrestler can indicate a voluntary submission by "tapping out"[2], that is, tapping a free hand against the mat or against an opponent. Submission was initially a large factor in professional wrestling, but following the decline of the submission-oriented catch-as-catch-can style from mainstream professional wrestling, the submission largely faded. Despite this, some wrestlers, such as Ric Flair, Kurt Angle, Ken Shamrock,Chris Benoit and Bret Hart, became famous for winning matches via submission. A wrestler with a signature submission technique is portrayed as better at applying the hold, making it more painful or more difficult to get out of than others who use it.


There, as you see it is "tapping" as multiple. So I think you just must have gotten MMA mixed with WWE.

Remember MMA on Saturdays and WWE on Monday and Thursay! Geeez.
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Old 06-22-2008, 06:48 PM   #53 (permalink)
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Yep that's how I see it to and I just think Herb should've waited for at least another tap.

My biggest issue is having threads calling CB a crybaby for being upset about it. I'm sure he's not the only fighter who thinks you need to tap at least three times for a fight to be stopped so he was confused.

Sorry my friend I haven't watched wrestling in a long time. If I did I would tell you actually I'm confusing it from grappling and BJJ where MMA got the rule from where tapping means hitting the mat numerous times.
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Old 06-22-2008, 07:39 PM   #54 (permalink)
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I really don't think a split second would have made a difference in this situation. CB made the mistake of engaging in a tap while in a risky position, the referee saw CB's initial tap, signalling that he is in the process of submitting and decided to react. I really don't think it is his fault for reacting that fast.

All Herb Dean saw was a fighter in a VERY deep submission, initializing a tap. For all we know, if Herb Dean hadn't jumped in so quick, CB might have tapped the other 2 times.
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Old 06-22-2008, 07:42 PM   #55 (permalink)
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That's fine Plazz I respect that and after reading the NSAC rules I have realized they have a different defiantion of a tap than BJJ or submission grappling however do you think CB was out of line and being a cry baby? Because I just don't see it the guy thought you had to tap multiple times so when he stopped tapping he thought it would be ok.
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Old 06-22-2008, 07:58 PM   #56 (permalink)
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Yes, but CB only has himself to blame, he shouldn't have been stupid enough to engage in tapping when he was in such a situation.
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cb stands for complete bitch...i wanna tap i dont wanna tap, i wanna tap i dont wanna tap.....get outta here... Praise Amir he desreves the credit..
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Plazz have you seen his post fight he doesn't blame the ref at all he takes full responsiblity. I just think right after the fight he was confused why the fight was stopped and upset about it.
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I really don't think a split second would have made a difference in this situation. CB made the mistake of engaging in a tap while in a risky position, the referee saw CB's initial tap, signalling that he is in the process of submitting and decided to react. I really don't think it is his fault for reacting that fast.

All Herb Dean saw was a fighter in a VERY deep submission, initializing a tap. For all we know, if Herb Dean hadn't jumped in so quick, CB might have tapped the other 2 times.
Plazz is so right and you gotta love that as soon as Herb even smelled the tap the first thing he did was save that joint by pulling on CB's arm as to protect it from the break....good job Herb and great job Amir...wow
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Old 06-22-2008, 08:32 PM   #60 (permalink)
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The biggest issue I have, is once again the inconsistency of the officiating.

In the Mir vs Lesnar fight, Brock tapped not once, but twice and even though Mazzagatti was in perfect position he didn't stop until a second or so later when Brock tapped several more times.
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