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Old 10-31-2008, 10:28 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Like I said on the other topic, Vinny has most potential. Bader has potential too, but there is quite a few skilled wrestlers with awesome stand up and subs in LHW division already which makes him less special atleast to me.

Vinny's bjj on other hand is much better than anyone else's in LHW, which makes him more interesting atleast to me specially if he improves his wrestling and gets more aggressive with his stand up.

We'll prolly see Bader and Vinny fighting each other on finals/semis and both end up in ufc regardless who wins the show, but Im still betting on Vinny to win it. ^^
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Old 10-31-2008, 10:46 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Vinny's BJJ isn't better then Arona's And it's not better adapted to MMA the Babalu, Nogueira, or Shogun.

Vinny's BJJ is excellent but honestly it's becoming overrated. He's not as good as the top grapplers who have been coming to MMA recently like Maia, Jacare, Gracie, Garcia, and Ribeiro.
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Old 11-01-2008, 03:36 PM   #13 (permalink)
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and vinnys standup is too weak ATM...

i see eliott and nover winning
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Old 11-01-2008, 07:08 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Vinny's BJJ isn't better then Arona's And it's not better adapted to MMA the Babalu, Nogueira, or Shogun.

Vinny's BJJ is excellent but honestly it's becoming overrated. He's not as good as the top grapplers who have been coming to MMA recently like Maia, Jacare, Gracie, Garcia, and Ribeiro.
Debatable, seeing as Vinny has beaten Xande in grappling competition before:

http://mixedmartialartvideos.com/200...ribeiro-video/
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Yes but he's never won Mundials at Blackbelt. I mean come on Fedor>ALL you can't call someone a top 5 or 10 BJJ guy without winning Mundials or ADCC.
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Yes but he's never won Mundials at Blackbelt. I mean come on Fedor>ALL you can't call someone a top 5 or 10 BJJ guy without winning Mundials or ADCC.
I'm not calling him a top 5 or 10, I'm just saying his BJJ can't be far from those guys if he can submit Drysdale and Ribeiro.
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His BJJ is excellent it's just not IMO with the top guys in the world if it was he would've won Mundials or ADCC like I said.

I mean it's great that he has subbed those guys but he's not the LHW Jacare or Maia. He is a great grappler and I'm curious to see him adapt his BJJ to MMA but honestly Eliot Marshall has done just as well as Vinny at Mundials in the black belt divison against the worlds best BJJ guys.
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I think Kryzstof will be the 'Joe Lauzon' or 'Matt Brown' of this season. I don't think he'll win, but I'm thinking he might get some big fights in the future.
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I'd have to say Ryan Bader. The dude is a brute with great wrestling to go with it. He's also sporting a perfect record of 7-0 thus far which shows me that hes adapting to MMA quite well. That right there shows me potential.

I'm also picking him to win the tournament. I'll have to see how his submission defense is first, though. The way he beat Lawlor shows he has power which was obvious in the beginning just by looking at him. I'm thinking if he gets into the octagon with a guy like Vinny, he can use his wrestling to keep it standing. Vinnys standup hasn't impressed me.

I hope to see Bader succeed.
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Debatable, seeing as Vinny has beaten Xande in grappling competition before:

http://mixedmartialartvideos.com/200...ribeiro-video/

Was said to be a work tho seeing as both were on the same team and they fought later (i think that day) with GI where Xande won.


Not 100% sure about this tho.

But vinny do have great Jitz
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