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post #21 of 43 (permalink) Old 11-02-2008, 12:18 AM
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Vinny's BJJ isn't better then Arona's And it's not better adapted to MMA the Babalu, Nogueira, or Shogun.

Vinny's BJJ is excellent but honestly it's becoming overrated. He's not as good as the top grapplers who have been coming to MMA recently like Maia, Jacare, Gracie, Garcia, and Ribeiro.
I wasn't saying its that well adabted to mma (yet) or in any other way saying he is a "complete" fighter yet. I wont keep arguing does person X have better bjj than him or not, lets just say there isn't many mma fighters specially in his weight class with as good or better bjj than his, specially guys as young as he is.

His stand up isn't that bad at all technically even though alot of people keep calling it bad. Take a look at footwork of some "good" strikers that are already in ufc and his is much better already. Fix the gunshyness, improve headmovement and improve his combos to set up take downs easier and he'll be ready atleast for some undercard fights in ufc.

He is 9 years younger than Nog and 6 years younger than Arona, which is why I think he has potential to become even more awesome than Nog if he keeps training his weaknesses and mma overall. I just don't see anyone else in the show with as much potential, even if guys like Krzysztof could prolly fight in undercard fights in ufc already.

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Was said to be a work tho seeing as both were on the same team and they fought later (i think that day) with GI where Xande won.


Not 100% sure about this tho.

But vinny do have great Jitz
A fixed match? I don't think Xande would stoop that low.. Brazilians have more pride than Matt Hughes and Jeremy Horn lol.
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Bader and Phillpe, but i want Junie to look like he did in the first fight. THE LHW's is a pretty stacked for a TUF (4 of em), while the LW not so much...
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Bader and Phillpe, but i want Junie to look like he did in the first fight. THE LHW's is a pretty stacked for a TUF (4 of em), while the LW not so much...
I think the big 3 from LHW could all have a career in UFC out of the box. I can't say that much for the LWs.
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LW - Phillipe and Junie
LHW - Eliot, Bader and Kryzstof

Vinny would have crazy potential if he wasn't a *****.
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bader and krzystof, junie if he wasnt a dick, and Novar i think is gonna make it all the way
I don't understand why you guys use your opinion about someones personality to determine their potential.

Potential is potential, whether you think they are a dick or not.
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I wasn't saying its that well adabted to mma (yet) or in any other way saying he is a "complete" fighter yet. I wont keep arguing does person X have better bjj than him or not, lets just say there isn't many mma fighters specially in his weight class with as good or better bjj than his, specially guys as young as he is.

His stand up isn't that bad at all technically even though alot of people keep calling it bad. Take a look at footwork of some "good" strikers that are already in ufc and his is much better already. Fix the gunshyness, improve headmovement and improve his combos to set up take downs easier and he'll be ready atleast for some undercard fights in ufc.

He is 9 years younger than Nog and 6 years younger than Arona, which is why I think he has potential to become even more awesome than Nog if he keeps training his weaknesses and mma overall. I just don't see anyone else in the show with as much potential, even if guys like Krzysztof could prolly fight in undercard fights in ufc already.
He has potential but he also in his early career fights has shown a very suspect chin something that top BJJ guys can't have. I mean some doubt Jacare if he will make it to the top and the guy has already shown he can work his BJJ in MMA they just question his chin.

Vinny has some solid potential and training at Xtreme Couture is a good step in the right direction. But I don't see him becoming a top 10 LHW to many strong wrestlers in that divison. And a lot of good GnP guys with submission defense.
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Philipe Nover is gonna win the show at LW.
Ryan Bader is gonna win the LHW.
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I don't understand why you guys use your opinion about someones personality to determine their potential.

Potential is potential, whether you think they are a dick or not.

Not that hard to understand. You got skill but no head. Simple as that. He may be good, but he wont get far with his attitude.
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Not that hard to understand. You got skill but no head. Simple as that. He may be good, but he wont get far with his attitude.
The question was who has the most potential, not who will be the most successful.

Someone can have potential and never use it..
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I don't understand why you guys use your opinion about someones personality to determine their potential.

Potential is potential, whether you think they are a dick or not.
Good point. I guess I meant who would have the biggest chance of achieving that potential then
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