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Old 06-26-2006, 11:31 AM   #1 (permalink)
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From the Hard Rock Hotel & Casino in Las Vegas, Nevada
Saturday, June 24, 2006


Fight #1 - Light Heavyweight Bout
Mike Nickels (205 lbs) vs. Wes Combs (205 lbs)
Nickels via rear naked choke submission in the first round.


Fight #2 - Light Heavyweight BoutMatt Hamill (205 lbs) vs. Jesse Forbes (204 lbs)
Hamill via TKO in the first round.


Fight #3 - Middleweight Bout
Solomon Hutcherson (185.5 lbs) vs. Luigi Fioravanti (186.5 lbs)
Fioravanti via KO in the first round


Fight #4 - Middleweight Bout
Kalib Starnes (186 lbs) vs. Danny Abbadi (184 lbs)
Starnes via rear naked choke submission in the first round.


Fight #5 - Middleweight Bout
Rory Singer (185 lbs) vs. Ross Pointon (184 lbs)
Singer via triangle choke submission in the first round.


Fight #6 - Light Heavyweight Bout
Keith Jardine (205 lbs) vs. Wilson Gouveia (204 lbs)

Jardine via unanimous decision after 3 rounds.



Fight #7 - TUF 3 Middleweight Final
Kendall Groves (184.5 lbs) vs. Ed Herman (186 lbs)
Groves via unanimous decision after 3 rounds. Groves is the TUF 3 Middleweight champion! Dana White awarded both fighters the 6-figure contract.





UFC Hall of Fame Presentation
Randy "The Natural" Couture is inducted into the UFC Hall of Fame. Couture joins Royce Gracie, Ken Shamrock, and Dan Severn in the UFC Hall of Fame.



Fight #8 - TUF 3 Light Heavyweight Final
Josh Haynes (205 lbs) vs. Mike Bisping (205 lbs)
Bisping via referee stoppage (strikes) in the second round. Bisping is the TUF 3 Light Heavyweight champion!



Fight #9 - Lightweight Bout
Sam Stout (155 lbs) vs. Kenny Florian (155 lbs)
Florian via rear naked choke submission in the first round.



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Old 06-26-2006, 02:14 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Thumbs down Ed Herman Vs. Kendall Grove

The Ultimate Fighter 3 Finale

Ed Herman Vs. Kendall Grove

Result: UFC is as rigged and corrupt as boxing.

Firstly, I am not a fan of either fighter (if anything I probably like Kendal’s personality more), but I watched that fight and I had 2 major problems:

1. Kendall Grove clearly tapped out in the 2nd round (he was in a triangle choke) and even looked like he may have been unconscious soon after, but recovered. Every person I asked who watched the fight saw the same thing. As well I had it recorded on DVD and watched it again and unless Kendall was giving Ed a light spanking, it was 100% a tap-out. Just because the referee wasn’t paying attention (or chose to ignore it) doesn’t change the fact millions saw it and within seconds the UFC staff should have alerted the judges and/or ref (or at least by end of 2nd round).

Fight over!!!

2. Ed Herman should have clearly won the decision. He 100% won round 1, 75% won round 2, round 3 was the toss up, was the clear aggressor the entire fight, the submission attempts were about even, he took Kendall down many times, pummeled him and 90% controlled the ground and the entire fight.

Giving it to Kendall Grove is like saying, just try a few reversals (even though they don’t work) and get taken down 9 times and beaten on to win. So the way the claim they score and how the really do are exact opposites, now to WIN its:

1. Non aggression
2. Being on your back
3. Attempting submissions
4. Be dominated / beat on by opponent
5. Have judges money bet on you


I have watched since UFC 1 and that fight stands out as the top disgrace to me.

The UFC judging is clearly fixed and the sport may as well be wrestling on TV after that display.

I hope that when Ed Herman sees the replay he realizes he won that fight.
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Old 06-26-2006, 10:38 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by dianycis
The Ultimate Fighter 3 Finale

Ed Herman Vs. Kendall Grove

Result: UFC is as rigged and corrupt as boxing.

Firstly, I am not a fan of either fighter (if anything I probably like Kendal’s personality more), but I watched that fight and I had 2 major problems:

1. Kendall Grove clearly tapped out in the 2nd round (he was in a triangle choke) and even looked like he may have been unconscious soon after, but recovered. Every person I asked who watched the fight saw the same thing. As well I had it recorded on DVD and watched it again and unless Kendall was giving Ed a light spanking, it was 100% a tap-out. Just because the referee wasn’t paying attention (or chose to ignore it) doesn’t change the fact millions saw it and within seconds the UFC staff should have alerted the judges and/or ref (or at least by end of 2nd round).

Fight over!!!

2. Ed Herman should have clearly won the decision. He 100% won round 1, 75% won round 2, round 3 was the toss up, was the clear aggressor the entire fight, the submission attempts were about even, he took Kendall down many times, pummeled him and 90% controlled the ground and the entire fight.

Giving it to Kendall Grove is like saying, just try a few reversals (even though they don’t work) and get taken down 9 times and beaten on to win. So the way the claim they score and how the really do are exact opposites, now to WIN its:

1. Non aggression
2. Being on your back
3. Attempting submissions
4. Be dominated / beat on by opponent
5. Have judges money bet on you


I have watched since UFC 1 and that fight stands out as the top disgrace to me.

The UFC judging is clearly fixed and the sport may as well be wrestling on TV after that display.

I hope that when Ed Herman sees the replay he realizes he won that fight.
I truly agree. Kendall played the "counterpunch game" all night and allowed Ed to dust his face for three rounds. Kendall got his ass beat in round 1 and 3. To give someone a championship for having no offense other than 9-10 failed submission holds is stupid and defeats the purpose.

BTW, Sam stout was a muy thai/kickboxer and Kenny F. is a bjj specialist???? Who dreamt that this fight would be a good one should lose their job. It sucked. They are trying to prop up for another division champ.
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Old 06-26-2006, 11:54 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Old 06-27-2006, 01:02 AM   #5 (permalink)
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You can't just count 9 take downs for the whole fight. You have to count each individually and see which round they happened in. It's just like the Penn/GSP debate on how people said Penn won just because he did more damage. So what? All that damage was from round 1, and he won that round unanimously. But that doesn't mean he won the fight.

Personally, I thought Ed won round 1, Kendall won round 3, and round 2 was a complete toss-up. I thought this fight could've gone either way, except Kendall ended up coming out on top on the judges cards and that's what matters.

Sadly though, I do think it's entirely possible to make a good argument on the topic of the UFC rigging decisions. This I believe is not a good example though. But all of the judges are still new to judging MMA, so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now.

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Old 06-27-2006, 10:51 PM   #6 (permalink)
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A fixed Herman v Grove fight. Who didn't see that one coming. Ed lost the fight cause he's not a marketable personality.

The future success of the UFC lies squarely on the shoulders of these new personalities (Griffin, Bonnar, Leben and Grove) that can come out of the TV show and immediately draw viewers. In a sport where the typical career lasts 5 or 6 fights max they need to deliver instant fan recognition.

That's the real reason Ed didn't get the tapout he earned (You all saw it), that's why he didn't even win round 1 and that's why he had no other way to win but KO.

The UFC is as rigged as Boxing is now.
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Old 06-27-2006, 11:23 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Firstly, Bass, it scares me that you think the UFC is being carried by Chris Leben and that you didn't name a heavyweight fighter in there.

Herman clearly beat Grove, but the judges look at failed submission attempts as a good thing instead of as a failiure (which is what happened to Kendall, he failed).
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Old 06-30-2006, 03:28 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I think the fight was a lot closer than they made it out to be but I don't think Ed dominated the fight nor did Grove. I think it should have gone to sudden victory personally.
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Old 06-30-2006, 08:26 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Aside the debate over the Judging:

Who thinks Grove "TAPPED" out in the 2nd round?


I agree with the assertion that the judging reflects who the UFC wants to promote (better marketability), as I have seen many a decision that went to the "poster boy" over the true winner.

As for the Judges not being familliar with MMA, that isn't true, they are on UFC what 64 etc. A lot of those 10 years have been in Nevada, so unless the Judges are idiots, they know what they are doing.
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Oh and a note for people who think "submission attempts" should score more points than dominant position (and ground and pound):

1. Do Punches that miss do not score points (I hope)

2. If A fighter could keep trying the same submission over and over (like kamura from the bottom ground- or even a headlock) with 0 chance of success, should they win the fight?

3. Should attempting to block a punch and failing score you points?

Otherwise one could just rapidly try many useless attempts and win (even if their back is to the ground and they are getting beats). Plus throw in a bunch of punches that miss to please the crowd and get taken down a bunch of times to show how "in control" you are.

What else would someone do when they are back to the ground in guard, except try submissions/escape. They are not in a "win" position unless they submit opponent, giving points for failed attempts is like the 10th place ribbon for 7 year olds called "participation."

If your time spent on your back is more than your opponent, that is a point for him. If he hit you more times, point for him, if he took you down more times, point for him, if he was the aggressor more of the time, point for him.

Its that simple...looking at it that way, how could anyone score the Herman/Grove fight any other way but for Herman (assuming you don't count tap outs in the 2nd round ;-)

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