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Old 06-23-2009, 05:32 AM   #21 (permalink)
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This is where Kimbo belonged all the time. Hes an amateur fighter, who needs to devlop some experiance. Putting him as the headliner and feeding him chumps was wrong and bad for the sport. I cant blame Kimbo for want ing to make lots of money, but now that he was exposed, he is where he needs to be.
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Old 06-23-2009, 09:51 AM   #22 (permalink)
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I bet if we polled it people wouldnt agree with that........
That wouldn't change whether or not I'm right, nor would it change the industry standard.
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after Dana signed Kimbo you dont think Spike needed his ok to call Kimbo out there to film the commercial as well???
Doubtful, but not denying Spike's request to use Ferguson in a promo would be a far cry from White coming up with it, no?

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You could be right but I dont think so.....Dana has his hands in everything....Im not sure why thats somthing people wouldnt be more open to realizing.....
JJ Abrams has his hands in everything, but he doesn't do ABC's marketing for Lost. Zuffa produces the show, but Spike owns the broadcast rights and they're the ones responsible for the marketing of those broadcasts. White has no authority over Spike's marketing department.

Here's an article about a particular promotional format for TUF. Notice how often Spike and its people are mentioned and how often White or even UFC comes up (not once for either):
http://www.dmnews.com/Spike-Kicks-Of...article/92478/

It's possible, that White was involved, but it would be the exception, not the rule.
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That wouldn't change whether or not I'm right, nor would it change the industry standard.
Doubtful, but not denying Spike's request to use Ferguson in a promo would be a far cry from White coming up with it, no?

JJ Abrams has his hands in everything, but he doesn't do ABC's marketing for Lost. Zuffa produces the show, but Spike owns the broadcast rights and they're the ones responsible for the marketing of those broadcasts. White has no authority over Spike's marketing department.

Here's an article about a particular promotional format for TUF. Notice how often Spike and its people are mentioned and how often White or even UFC comes up (not once for either):
http://www.dmnews.com/Spike-Kicks-Of...article/92478/

It's possible, that White was involved, but it would be the exception, not the rule.


I would never propose to you that its the rule...but prob the exception......I am talkin dana white though...we can agree to see differently....I just think that since Dana openly admitted "we got the deal done while I was in Miami and Kimbo was in cali"......

No other fighters had a "deal done" to get on the show....

And now a guy that the UFC negotiated a deal with and was a big draw till his 13 second meltdown is featured in the commercial....you could be right it could all be spike but i have to believe that after the trouble dana went to to get Kimbo.....

he is gonna take every advantage of what he can get from him, including using him to promo the new series of TUF when up till now spike nor the UFC ever showed a fighter that was gonna be on the show in the promo......
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Ugh, why does it even matter? If Kimbo puts on a good performance and wins the whole show he deserves to be in the UFC and he'll be a great addition to the heavyweight division. If he doesn't, so what? Why do you guys have to make such a big deal out of everything.

"OOH Dana just wants to make money" Well of course he does. This isn't some huge conspiracy, no-one is getting screwed over. The UFC has just got a popular fighter onto TUF to add some excitement. And it works.
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Ugh, why does it even matter? If Kimbo puts on a good performance and wins the whole show he deserves to be in the UFC and he'll be a great addition to the heavyweight division. If he doesn't, so what? Why do you guys have to make such a big deal out of everything.

"OOH Dana just wants to make money" Well of course he does. This isn't some huge conspiracy, no-one is getting screwed over. The UFC has just got a popular fighter onto TUF to add some excitement. And it works.

he desrerves to be in the UFC???? Why??? Who is Kimbo besides a backyard brawler that had threereal fights and was fed chumps the entire time......

Read what Bas Rutten the only support he ever really had has to say about him......"he's an asshole, and I told him that"......wonder what Kimbo did, they were face to face....answer..NOTHING..you know why....cuz he knows Bas would whip his ass , the guy has a chance but doesnt deserve shit he got paid alot to k/o chumps and thats all he has done...

nothing there makes him deserving to be in the UFC......

All that said, sure it will be intresting but ther last thing i want to see is someone that gets their hand held through the show so they can milk the ratings......
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Hey, remember when that one guy got a fight in the UFC just for beating 'Kimbo' in a 'street fight'? Those were good times.
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he desrerves to be in the UFC???? Why??? Who is Kimbo besides a backyard brawler that had threereal fights and was fed chumps the entire time......

Read what Bas Rutten the only support he ever really had has to say about him......"he's an asshole, and I told him that"......wonder what Kimbo did, they were face to face....answer..NOTHING..you know why....cuz he knows Bas would whip his ass , the guy has a chance but doesnt deserve shit he got paid alot to k/o chumps and thats all he has done...

nothing there makes him deserving to be in the UFC......

All that said, sure it will be intresting but ther last thing i want to see is someone that gets their hand held through the show so they can milk the ratings......
Maybe you should have read what I said.

"If Kimbo puts on a good performance and wins the whole show he deserves to be in the UFC"

Why wouldn't he deserve to be in the UFC if he beats a pretty decent HW season and wins the show? Take away Kimbo's fame, and his skill set is pretty much perfect for TUF. Hell, there have been less skilled fighters than Kimbo fighting in the UFC.
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Maybe you should have read what I said.

"If Kimbo puts on a good performance and wins the whole show he deserves to be in the UFC"

Why wouldn't he deserve to be in the UFC if he beats a pretty decent HW season and wins the show? Take away Kimbo's fame, and his skill set is pretty much perfect for TUF. Hell, there have been less skilled fighters than Kimbo fighting in the UFC.

To be completely honest Biowza....cuz i think he'll end up being the winner....and that to me says somthing about the caliber of other dudes on the show...of course i could be wrong.....We'll seee but if he did win what would happen then, who would he fight first in the HW division.....Cain Velasquez??? Kongo??

He would get destroyed and that would take away from the stigma that dana has tried to build into the winner of TUF....in other words these guys are legit enough to be in the UFC and win, and I dont know who in the HW division he can beat...... Smokes too many blunts....
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To be completely honest Biowza....cuz i think he'll end up being the winner....and that to me says somthing about the caliber of other dudes on the show...of course i could be wrong.....We'll seee but if he did win what would happen then, who would he fight first in the HW division.....Cain Velasquez??? Kongo??
The caliber of competition is actually pretty good when compared with other seasons. There are quite a few people who have fought in the UFC on the TUF 10 roster.

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He would get destroyed and that would take away from the stigma that dana has tried to build into the winner of TUF....in other words these guys are legit enough to be in the UFC and win, and I dont know who in the HW division he can beat...... Smokes too many blunts....
So wait, are you saying that because he would get destroyed by the middle/top guys of the heavyweight division, he wouldn't be a worthy winner of TUF? Mac Danzig isn't challenging for the lightweight title anytime soon, I don't see Amir Sadollah fighting GSP or Anderson Silva in the future. Efrain and Wilks also wouldn't beat any top-flight competition.

That's besides the point. He would be worthy of being in the UFC if he wins TUF, and probably would be even if he wins a few fights on the show.
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The caliber of competition is actually pretty good when compared with other seasons. There are quite a few people who have fought in the UFC on the TUF 10 roster.


So wait, are you saying that because he would get destroyed by the middle/top guys of the heavyweight division, he wouldn't be a worthy winner of TUF? Mac Danzig isn't challenging for the lightweight title anytime soon, I don't see Amir Sadollah fighting GSP or Anderson Silva in the future. Efrain and Wilks also wouldn't beat any top-flight competition.

That's besides the point. He would be worthy of being in the UFC if he wins TUF, and probably would be even if he wins a few fights on the show.


i think there is a reason you see amir sodallah doing commercials and mac danzig was never really shit to me...


as far as there being decent guys on TUF 10 I hope so but even with a win and not winning the show its whack.......jmo...


i really think he just isnt an MMA fighter.....I think he will be exposed again, but this time worse!!!!
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