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Old 08-28-2009, 04:08 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Could Wes Shivers kill someon?

By the look of this guys picture and the size of his cannons for arms i'm afraid Shivers may just end somebody's life inside the TUF house!!

Doesnt look to have alot of experience but is no doubt an athlete with a big football background.

http://bumpyknuckle.com/2009/08/28/t...t-wes-shivers/

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Old 08-29-2009, 12:29 AM   #2 (permalink)
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You can't really die from a strike to the head in the ring, you can die from repeated strikes to the head over a long career. Which is why boxing > mma in deaths (like 10 annually vs. 0?)

What I want to add is, this will be the hardest season yet to survive. Even bad HWs can hit pretty hard, and 3-4 fights for these guys is going to be rough.


I think the better question is: Can you actually hit someone so hard it knocks their beard off?
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I'm pretty sure you could die from a strike in teh ring if it was hard enough. Snapping someones neck, rupturing their organs, severing the spine or hemorrhaging the brain wouldn't be completely impossible. If someone starts running at him and he blasts them with a big hook I could see it being possible
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I'm pretty sure you could die from a strike in teh ring if it was hard enough. Snapping someones neck, rupturing their organs, severing the spine or hemorrhaging the brain wouldn't be completely impossible. If someone starts running at him and he blasts them with a big hook I could see it being possible
A hard enough elbow or punch to the temple could do the trick.
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Sounds like a case for Mythbusters. They could also test the nosebone driven into brain by punch myth.

My guess is that a human being can't generate enough force to kill a person with one blow to the head. However, if the person is pressed with his head against the floor there might not be enough space for the head to absorb the blow by snapping back.
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Old 08-29-2009, 10:35 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Sounds like a case for Mythbusters. They could also test the nosebone driven into brain by punch myth.

My guess is that a human being can't generate enough force to kill a person with one blow to the head. However, if the person is pressed with his head against the floor there might not be enough space for the head to absorb the blow by snapping back.
I agree about the nosebone, Mythbusters need to get on that, although how do they try that out?
I dunno, I reckon some-one could be killed with one punch, I watched an interview with Chris Eubank once and he said he could kill a man with one punch. Of course this is Chris Eubank but still...
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A pretty average punch could crush someone's windpipe and potentially kill them.
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sometimes i wonder if the **** choke isn't one of the most dangerous legal maneuvers. i mean the rules say you can't grab the trachea, but putting your hand around someone's throat, still seems like the trachea could get permanently damaged.

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Sounds like a case for Mythbusters. They could also test the nosebone driven into brain by punch myth.
That doesn't work. Just like the instant twist-head neck break.
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I'm pretty sure there is a video of it on youtube....he the judge pronounced my name wrong.

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Old 08-29-2009, 06:12 PM   #10 (permalink)
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As a former EMT let me throw my knowledge in here...

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You can't really die from a strike to the head in the ring, you can die from repeated strikes to the head over a long career. Which is why boxing > mma in deaths (like 10 annually vs. 0?)

I think the better question is: Can you actually hit someone so hard it knocks their beard off?
Yes one single strike to the head can be enough to kill a person. ...

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I'm pretty sure you could die from a strike in teh ring if it was hard enough. Snapping someones neck, rupturing their organs, severing the spine or hemorrhaging the brain wouldn't be completely impossible. If someone starts running at him and he blasts them with a big hook I could see it being possible
These are some of the injures that could result from a single head strike.

You have to look at what happens when a person is hit. First there is the inital strike to the outside of the skull.. Force is transfered to the skull damage can happen to the bone.. The skull then impacts the brain. The energy then transfers though and the brain then impacts on the back side of the skull.. When the head then snaps forward the brain re-impacts the front of the skull.. This is not counting KOs and a person getting dropped which create more impacts that are not seen but felt by the body.

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A hard enough elbow or punch to the temple could do the trick.
Most certinaly...

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Sounds like a case for Mythbusters. They could also test the nosebone driven into brain by punch myth.

My guess is that a human being can't generate enough force to kill a person with one blow to the head. However, if the person is pressed with his head against the floor there might not be enough space for the head to absorb the blow by snapping back.
The nosebone thing was already proven highly improbable... In most instance the nose bone would shatter and the peices would never reach the brain. In mot cases the cartlige which the nose is is not ling enough even if it did not shatter or break into peices is not long enough to impact the brain.

The latter half if the person is on the ground greatly increases the force to the internal blows if the head has less room to move when impacted.

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A pretty average punch could crush someone's windpipe and potentially kill them.
Yup
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sometimes i wonder if the **** choke isn't one of the most dangerous legal maneuvers. i mean the rules say you can't grab the trachea, but putting your hand around someone's throat, still seems like the trachea could get permanently damaged.
Yea damge can most certainly be done.. crompression injuries can most certinaly kill some if the airway is blocked ot the cartlige in the neck was the splite and strike an artery.
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