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post #1 of 37 (permalink) Old 10-03-2009, 01:33 AM Thread Starter
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Herb Dean Gives His Side Of Nelson/kimbo Story


MMAWeekly.com on Thursday spoke exclusively to referee Herb Dean, who oversaw the elimination fight between Roy Nelson and Kimbo Slice on the third episode of "The Ultimate Fighter: The Heavyweights."

Nelson used his grappling prowess to overcome Slice, earning a TKO stoppage in just over two minutes of the second round.

Subsequent to the fight's air, Nelson openly criticized Dean's judgment regarding the end of the first round, where Nelson's positional dominance threatened to end the fight.

Dean addressed Nelson's claims and the reasoning behind his call of the fight.

MMAWeekly: Firstly, Roy claimed that you didnít stop the fight in the first round because of Kimboís status on the show. How do you respond to that?

Dean: Well, itís not that complicated. Iím there to protect the fighterís safety. Kimbo got up after that round pretty quick and spry, right? If I stop a fight itís because I believe a fighterís not fighting back, because he canít. And thereís reasons why a fighter canít fight back. One is a positional reason like Roy had on Kimbo. It was positional. Could (Kimbo) handle blows and continue to fight? He did. He made it to the end of the (first) round and continued to fight. If the blows were any less, I would have actually stood them up. The blows were strong enough to warrant being on the ground, but they weren't strong enough for me to stop the fight.

MMAWeekly: Were you looking at the clock at all and weighing the force of the blows with the time left in the round?

Dean: Most definitely. I believe that if (Roy) has position on him in the beginning of the round, that means that heís going to stay there for the whole round, obviously Kimbo couldnít solve that position. But with those blows, was he not fighting back because he was hurt? No, he was fine. So I didnít have any reason to stand or stop the fight. If the fighter is not hurt, why should I stop the fight?

MMAWeekly: So you felt the blows that Kimbo was taking in the second round were, whereas the ones in the first round werenít?

Dean: Well, I believe that the blows were solid blows. In the first round, they were solid blows, just like in the second round, but in the second round, it was the beginning of the round that he was down there. I canít allow him Ė he was not going to improve his position, he was not going to solve it Ė I couldnít allow him five minutes of that in the second round. Could I allow him to take it for 30 seconds in the first? Sure.

MMAWeekly: Were your decisions in the ring influenced at all by Kimbo and his standing with the UFC?

Dean: No, I make calls based on my conscience, based on what I think is fair, what I think is the right thing to do. Iím the one that has to sleep at night. I sleep fine. I believe that I try to make the fairest, safest calls. This job is more serious than me continuing to do my job. Peopleís careers and their safety are on the line. Iím not going to make a political decision when the stakes are that large.

MMAWeekly: Roy said that he got into it with you after the fightÖ

Dean: Well, thatís not getting into it with me. Heís made a statement. By getting into it means that I guess I have to respond. He said some things. Whatever. Fighters say things all the time. I have a lot of respect for Roy, what heís done in the sport. His statements that heís making, I donít really understand those. Youíre there to try to win, try to beat the fighter, try to win in the most decisive way possible. Not to not be hurting your fighter, but taking advantage of a technicality for their safety.

MMAWeekly: Did you receive any feedback from the Nevada State Athletic Commission? Any from the UFC?

Dean: The commission was fine with my decision. The UFC doesnít talk to me about my decision. I donít know why people think that thereís a lot of communication with us going back and forth as far as whatís going on in the matches. There wasnít anything that we needed to discuss. The fight was done, and we went home. It was pretty clear.
Source: http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/...=9689&zoneid=2

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sounds good to me!

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That's pretty much what I thought he was thinking. Kimbo had just gotten put into that position and he wasn't being hurt so he let the first round go. Herb was close to stopping it because he was warning Kimbo to improve his position. In the second round it was clear he couldn't figure it out and Roy put him right back in the same spot without any problem, so it's only logical that the fight be stopped then.

This wasn't a botch like Dan Mirgliotta, allowing James Thompson to lay in crucifix for a minute and drop 20 unanswered blows that were much stronger than the ones Roy was dropping.
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Hmmmmm....sounds way too reasonable for a Kimbo-Nelson thread.
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post #5 of 37 (permalink) Old 10-03-2009, 05:33 AM
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i agree with herb 100%
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Yes Herb did the right call, no question. Why would Roy expect the fight to be stopped when he didn't do any damage?
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"If the blows were any less, I would have actually stood them up."

Well that sounds really stupid. Regardless how the blows where how can you stand them up when a fighter has side control and has the crucifix position?

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Because it doesn't matter if he has a dominant position, if he isn't DOING anything then it gets stood up, dominant position or not. I have seen that happen many times. Roy had the dominant position AND he was doing just enough to show that Kimbo was in trouble in that position.

Good Job Herb Dean!

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I don't agree with that. If a guy has a dominant position like side control, mount, or has someones back you don't stand them up. You let the guy's work. Standing them up gives a really unfair advantage to the guy who was in the really bad postion.

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100% agree, he's a ref, not me. Regardless of the mistakes Herb, Yamasaki, and Yves make, I will always back them because they are head and shoulders above the other refs. (Honorable mention to Rosenthal ) There are some who are just horrible at being in position and calling stoppages. Herb is NOT one of them.
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