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IronMan 12-31-2006 11:54 PM

What TUF Hasn't Done
 
Looking back at the guys who have come out of the Ultimate Fighter in the last few seasons, there is something that bothers me, and it is (in my opinion) what is killing the UFC right now.

On the first three seasons of the ultimate fighter they regular have people fighting out of their typical weight class. Guys like Guillard and Kenny Florian fighting well above their natural weight, as well as guys like Rashad Evans and Keith Jardine.

The Ultimate Fighter show has acted as a recruiting project bringing in some of the UFC's better guys, many of whom are expected to be the future of the organization, but look at the weight classes that these guys are fighting in:

Diego Sanchez (Welterweight)
Kenny Florian (Lightweight)
Mike Swick (Middleweight)
Forrest Griffin (Lightheavyweight)
Stephen Bonnar (Lightheavyweight)
Melvin Guillard (Lightweight)
Keith Jardine (Lightheavyweight)
Rashad Evans (Lightheavyweight)
Kendall Grove (Middleweight)
Michael Bisping (Lightheavyweight)

Notice anything missing. There are no heavyweights on this list, because the show has yet to bring in a good heavyweight fighter. Even the winner of the second season's heavyweight division isn't a natural heavyweight (Rashad Evans). The issue is that their recruiting in this division is weak.

Whether the UFC chooses to acknowledge it or not, their heavyweight division is weak. Even with Crocop coming over, they really need to use this show to recruit some high quality heavyweight fighters.

americanfighter 01-01-2007 12:22 AM

Good point But one thing it is doing is bringing (weather it was intended or not) in new fans who descover the ufc through tuf. They really do need to work on their Heavyweight class dont they.

I.P.Freely 01-01-2007 08:04 AM

I think most people would agree that the heavyweight division is not very strong.

I guess they could always use the format of 16 of the same weight division like they are doing for TUF5 (so we hear). Perhaps with 16 they could generate a few decent fighters, especially if they were willing to relax their 'personality' requirement for a few of the fighters.

One problem could be that the bad heavyweight fights are really bad, which would make it bad TV (which is not good for ratings or the UFC's image). Maybe sticking to the 2-round format and bringing back the challenges might help to balance out the extra duds.

IronMan 01-01-2007 01:07 PM

I've come to expects duds from the TV show. There are always a few. Every season has it's Danny Abbadi's, but they also have guys like Forrest, Rashad and Diego to balance them out.

I do like the idea of a 16 man tournament. I think it would be alot better for ratings and make things alot simpler. I also think that they should remove the personality requirements, because it makes for better recruiting and, eventually, a better show.

They could really use the heavyweights if they did an all heavyweight 16 man season. I would have no problem with that, but I do think that they should all be true heavyweights. Not like Rashad where, once they win, they come down to bolster an already good lightheavyweight roster. That was my issue with the season two cast.

theboz19 01-01-2007 03:58 PM

Heavyweights are missing because HW's are mostly boring. They should have a HW open tournament during the show. The HW's don't train with the show participants but only serve as a second fight each week.

SlammedSL1 01-01-2007 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theboz19
Heavyweights are missing because HW's are mostly boring. They should have a HW open tournament during the show. The HW's don't train with the show participants but only serve as a second fight each week.

HW are boring??

Yes, Crocop, Nogeira, Fedor, Arloviski are very boring (KIDDING)

That's not the problem

I agree they need a big tourney with straight natural HW's

I don not agree that they are boring tho

I.P.Freely 01-01-2007 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SlammedSL1
HW are boring??

Yes, Crocop, Nogeira, Fedor, Arloviski are very boring (KIDDING)

That's not the problem

I agree they need a big tourney with straight natural HW's

I don not agree that they are boring tho

I think the problem is that bad heavyweight fights are usually worse than bad welterweight or lightweight fights. I guess it's harder for heavyweights to compare with the light weights in cardio, speed and explosiveness. So when you get not-so-good heavyweights, there is a higher chance that you will get the heavyweight nightmare fight: two big, kind of fat guys holding on to eachother and pawing/clubbing each other occasionally. Like that Frank Mir comeback fight against the massive guy from TUF2. Snoozefest.

I guess they could prioritize the guys who are heavyweights but don't move like they're heavyweights, like Arlovski. If their skills are a bit less developed, that might be okay, because they will improve with good training and can be brought through at their own pace, like with the other TUF guys.

dutch sauce 01-01-2007 11:52 PM

lol crocop on ultimate fighter that be comical.

ZeroPRIDE 01-02-2007 02:00 AM

I say they need to find guys like AAs build. Not the fat ones. They also need to expand the recuiting to other countrys

I.P.Freely 01-02-2007 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dutch sauce
lol crocop on ultimate fighter that be comical.

He could be a challenge... both teams put forward a guy and they take turns getting Cro Cop's LHKs to the head. The winner is the one who can take the most without his head becoming seperated from his neck.


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