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post #151 of 320 (permalink) Old 04-21-2011, 12:47 PM
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Well I dont see your line of reasoning, he should have told him to circle off the cage and avoid the clinch but he didn't he kept telling him to stay in the clinch were he was clearly losing. That strategy broke his own fighter down and IMO lost the fight.

My seven year old can give better advice than saying "hit Him". Brock doesn't have the experience to be a coach, every time his fighter was stuck and unsure of what to do next so was Brock. Go over all the fights again and you'll find Brock is just not a good corner.
I don't know... when you're in the action, you tend to block out everything. My wrestling coach in HS would just scream "Work" non-stop during the periods.

Personally, I feel the coaching comes in between the rounds, which we really haven't been privy to. Gotta spend time on the two old teammates praising the other rather than seeing if a strategy has been developed, and if so, whether it is being ignored by the fighter.
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I don't know how much coaching you can do when your guy just quits out there.

The last two seasons we've had 4 guys make the cut to the UFC...this season so far I haven't seen one.
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I don't know... when you're in the action, you tend to block out everything. My wrestling coach in HS would just scream "Work" non-stop during the periods.

Personally, I feel the coaching comes in between the rounds, which we really haven't been privy to. Gotta spend time on the two old teammates praising the other rather than seeing if a strategy has been developed, and if so, whether it is being ignored by the fighter.
Well I have two girls who roll three times a week and they hear everything I say, dojo or tournament don't matter. I've seen countless fighters make corrections mid fight because a corner saw something. All Brock could say is hit him but he couldn't give guidance on how to set his strikes up.
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I don't know how much coaching you can do when your guy just quits out there.

The last two seasons we've had 4 guys make the cut to the UFC...this season so far I haven't seen one.
Had he not been so worn down maybe he would have gutted it out. I don't blame Brock but he's a coach and his tactics gave his fighter less of a opportunity to win than if he had went in without a corner.
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Had he not been so worn down maybe he would have gutted it out. I don't blame Brock but he's a coach and his tactics gave his fighter less of a opportunity to win than if he had went in without a corner.
You can't blame over training for guys who gassed after 3 minutes you blame over training when guys gas in the third round.

Charlie turtled up in the second round and gave his back to Ramsey, he quit if that happened in a real fight and not the ultimate fighter we would be raking him over the coals for it.
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JDS may be the better corner man, but from what I've seen from the training sessions Brock is an overall better coach.
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When Charlie Rader is sparring, he has his back to the cage, one of the trainers tells him to get his back off the cage & he doesn't do it.

Later, Charlie has his back to the cage and Brock is wearing pads. Brock is throwing some low intensity punches at Charlie as Charlie leans back against the cage.

I think, Charlie might have a bad habit of lying on the cage and they were trying to get him to break the habit.

Another thing he might have a bad habit of doing. When he's in the clinch, he only throws 1 or 2 punches, then stops. There were instances there where he wasn't really in danger of being taken down and he just stood there because he was paralyzed and worried about the TD.

I think Charlie knew his head wasn't in the right place and didn't feel properly prepared and he just wanted out of there.

Brock can tell him to get off the cage, but if he already has a habit of lying on the cage and being content to be there, it won't make a difference.
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That choke was not even sunk in......Can't blame Brock....When they try to break a bad habit in training and he won't listen to you it's hard to get him to not do the same thing in a match. He was beat before the match started.......He threw some wild punches standing then some weak punches up against the cage. Brock was dealing with chickenshit for real this fight



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JDS says "YEAAAH" like 50 times during a fight. It sounds so creepy.

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JDS says "YEAAAH" like 50 times during a fight. It sounds so creepy.
Sometimes he says it when his guy is getting punched or reversed, too.




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When Charlie Rader is sparring, he has his back to the cage, one of the trainers tells him to get his back off the cage & he doesn't do it.

Later, Charlie has his back to the cage and Brock is wearing pads. Brock is throwing some low intensity punches at Charlie as Charlie leans back against the cage.

I think, Charlie might have a bad habit of lying on the cage and they were trying to get him to break the habit.

Another thing he might have a bad habit of doing. When he's in the clinch, he only throws 1 or 2 punches, then stops. There were instances there where he wasn't really in danger of being taken down and he just stood there because he was paralyzed and worried about the TD.

I think Charlie knew his head wasn't in the right place and didn't feel properly prepared and he just wanted out of there.

Brock can tell him to get off the cage, but if he already has a habit of lying on the cage and being content to be there, it won't make a difference.
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That choke was not even sunk in......Can't blame Brock....When they try to break a bad habit in training and he won't listen to you it's hard to get him to not do the same thing in a match. He was beat before the match started.......He threw some wild punches standing then some weak punches up against the cage. Brock was dealing with chickenshit for real this fight
But you are both missing the point, He was following instructions thats a huge part of why he lost the fight.

I was not saying that he was over-trained. I was pointing out he gassed because well we all know he should have been in better shape but all the grappling and time spent defending the TD wore him down, had he stayed away from the clinch and used his reach and closed the gap the right way he would have had a better chance. He was always in the hallway as well I mean WTF.

Brock told him in practice to move off the cage then come fight time he told him to stay in the clinch. Even when he got took down Brock didn't have any useful instruction to give, I mean you would think he would have some good instructions for his fighters on the ground.

IDK Im just a little disappointed, After watching him I think he's in over his head as a coach.
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