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post #261 of 320 (permalink) Old 05-21-2011, 04:48 AM
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Anyone else think Ramsey has A LOT of potential?

Hes only 22 and has shown great wrestling and good BJJ.
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I don't understand how when you consider the absurd amount of punches that Cope landed against the cage while defending the TD you could not give him the fight. He kept it standing, and peppered with those tiny shots over and over and over. When a fight is largely a stalemate those 30 or 40 little shots per round make a massive difference.

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Shamar was the "agressor", but he virtually landed nothing AT ALL during the whole fight, and he kept getting hit while "agressing", over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over... and over

to win a fight you want to actually do some damage, and Shamar, while agressive, did no real damage (no punches/no kicks, no TD, no sub attemps) and was completely shut down by CC.

CC just let him run into him and started to land small punches.

Shamar didn't hit CC, really, he just hugged him for 10 minutes
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According to the flawed MMA rules system though, Shamar should have won. Dictating where and how the fight takes place and being the aggressor counts for everything somehow. It's why Kampmann keeps losing.

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he didn't dictate much by missing ALL of his takedown

Shamar "let's go to the ground"
Chris "sorry dude, not happening"

I don't call this "dictate where the fight takes place"
and he got reversed more than once against the fence, in round 2, chris moved better, taking the center on many occasions etc...

Shamar barely "dictated" anything and barely landed anything I'm not sure he even was fighting
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he didn't dictate much by missing ALL of his takedown

Shamar "let's go to the ground"
Chris "sorry dude, not happening"

I don't call this "dictate where the fight takes place"
and he got reversed more than once against the fence, in round 2, chris moved better, taking the center on many occasions etc...

Shamar barely "dictated" anything and barely landed anything I'm not sure he even was fighting
yeah exactly.

And this was also one of the reasons why I got so upset with the latest InsideMMA episode where 4 wrestlers were sitting there and where pounding their chests like:"wrestling is the ultimate martial art!"

Not saying that wrestling is not an important PART of MMA or fighting at all for that matter, but to sit there and be like (“uhh look at his nice uniform, I bet it jiu jitsu harharhar”) is just pissing me off.

Again, I like and respect the art of wrestling but if you ONLY rely on this it's f/n boring. Who wants to pay good money to see Shamar laying on people....Stop pounding your chest guys. There is no ultimate martial art. There are just good fighters and bad ones.
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According to the flawed MMA rules system though, Shamar should have won. Dictating where and how the fight takes place and being the aggressor counts for everything somehow. It's why Kampmann keeps losing.
fights are judged on effective striking, grappling, aggression and octagon control.

Cope clearly was almost the only one throwing so he gets striking.

Shamar failed to obtain the TD making his attempts at grappling ineffective. advantage Cope.

Aggression is the only one I see as clearly for Shamar.

Octagon control is kinda toss up because despite the fact Shamar failed to obtain the TD he did keep alot of the action against the cage.

I see this as being a clear winner here.




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I'm not saying I disagree. Personally, I think Mousasi hasn't lost a fight in years.


But name me two other fights where the Chris in that situation won and the Shamar in that situation lost.

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Find me another one were the guy held against the cage out stuck his opponent even nearly that drastically. We see guys held against the cage like that lots but Randy Couture for example likes to hold guys against the cage not just stall there getting punched in the face because his TD is completely ineffective.




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Shamar clearly won the first and lost the second that was an absurd decision. Chris did almost nothing in the first Shamar won basically every striking exchange in that round. Those taps don't mean anything when weighed against getting hit by real punches. There should have been a third round and Shamar probably would have gassed and lost the fight but that was bad judging.
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Shamar clearly won the first and lost the second that was an absurd decision. Chris did almost nothing in the first Shamar won basically every striking exchange in that round. Those taps don't mean anything when weighed against getting hit by real punches. There should have been a third round and Shamar probably would have gassed and lost the fight but that was bad judging.
technically, if you want to win a fight, you'll eventually want to punch your opponent in the face

hugging him against the fence is not exactly the same "sport" and if you go out, pick a fight, and start hugging the guy instead of punching him, people are gonna start wondering "what the?", you'll then eventually end up in a "Cher" music video or on "american idol"

Shamar wasn't fighting, he was hugging, and he obviously didn't control much as each and every TD attempt (and there were many) was stuffed (easily, should I say).

it was obvious he wanted the fight to go to the ground and it never, ever happened.


even tho he later told, in his pathetic, sad attempt to get to DW, he wanted to "show he could stand and trade", he barely showed he could stand and hug, but again, he'll have much more chance applying for a reforming of the village people.

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