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Old 04-22-2011, 11:01 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Even if you do have a point and the reasons that you stated are true as to why his team are not doing well, does it still not remain true that if for any reason your team does not respect you or want your advice, does that not still make you a bad coach or at least person to be coaching.
That's ass backwards. You can be the greatest coach in the world but if you have some asshole who thinks he knows better than you you will not be able to coach him. And most of his guys think they know better than him and they don't. Not even close.

So - no having disrespectful asshats on your team does not make you a bad coach. Maybe not the world's best evaluater but that might not have anything to do with it. There's a good chance that with any group of mma fighters they would react like this to Brock and it's really stupid.
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Old 04-22-2011, 11:26 AM   #12 (permalink)

 
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Lesnar's a good coach.

His team is still suffering from the backlash of Lesnar's WWE days. Lesnar's team resents their coach being a "guy from WWE" and doesn't give Lesnar the respect or credit he deserves.

That's why they're losing.

Even if Lesnar gives them good advice or training they won't listen or take it seriously because he's just "some fool from WWE who doesn't know what he's talking about".

I think the people on Lesnar's team who do respect and like him will do well. Chris Cope seems to be one of the few guys who likes and respects Brock and he won his fight.

Len Bentley -- Brock told him from the beginning not to let the things about Chris Cope being a "double agent" get in his head. Len Bentley didn't listen to Brock and let the drama get to him. End result -- he lost his fight.

Charlie Rader. Brock told him to get off the fence. Charlie didn't want to listen. Ok, Brock switches to plan B -- stay inside and throw punches, elbows + whatever. Charlie doesn't want to listen. He does the complete opposite of what Brock tells him. Charlie loses.

The people on Brock's team are being idiots. That's where the weak link in Brock's "coaching" is.
This. Honestly I don't even think Lesnar is the worst coach this season. The guy was the UFC champion and yet his team seems to be looking down there nose at him. Think about it some no name fighter from some ho-bunk town is ignoring the advice of the former #1 ranked HW in the world. Its absurd but its also reality. Lesnar pushes his team extremely hard. The big difference is that Lesnar see's this guys as UFC fighters and expects them to train at the level he does with that level of dedication. JDS see's his fighters as kids and wants to baby or mentor them rather than have them train as equals. I think JDS may mesh better with his team but I have no doubt that if this show spanned 6 or 8 months of filming that team Lesnar would show a much larger improvement. Shit those clowns didn't even seem grateful for Lesnar bringing in Matt Hughes. BJ Penn brings in Matt Hughes to train with and shows a substantial improvement and these guys who haven't accomplished shit act like he has nothing for them.
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Old 04-22-2011, 11:34 AM   #13 (permalink)
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I think Lesnar is a better coach than JDS this season. JDS just wants to be their friends and isn't pushing them hard at all. His assistant is doing all the coaching. The mistake I think Lesnar made was when he was picking the fighters he didn't stick with his strong suit. He didn't pick any of the top wrestlers which I thought he would do. He took strikers so he could teach them wrestling. That plan has backfired. I think even with the shit attitude Len has he will get the wildcard. Chris Cope looked good in his fight and Charlie seems fired up after seeing his friend lose so I think he might do well in his fight. Brock isn't going to tolerate giving up though and he shouldnt. A lot of fighters this season think their shit don't stink and they havent done ANYTHING yet.
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Lesnar is far and away not 'the worst coach in the history of TUF'. Quite the contrary, it's more likely that this season's cast of fighters is the worst cast in the history of TUF. I expect the winner of this season to reach James Wilkes like levels of success in the UFC, so if these chumps want to have at it and treat Brock as though he doesn't know anything, then by all means... play know it all, go out, and lose. It's probably for the best we never see them again, because none of them are worthy of fighting in the Octagon, be it due to their lack of respect or their noticeable lack of talent.
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Lesnar's a good coach.

His team is still suffering from the backlash of Lesnar's WWE days. Lesnar's team resents their coach being a "guy from WWE" and doesn't give Lesnar the respect or credit he deserves.

That's why they're losing.

Uhh... WHAT?


Pretty sure Lesnar being a former pro-wrestler has nothing to do with his guys getting subbed and decisioned.
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Actually his people not listening to him is a big part of why they are losing. They don't respect him because he was a pro wrestler and they think they know better.
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Actually his people not listening to him is a big part of why they are losing. They don't respect him because he was a pro wrestler and they think they know better.
Maybe they don't respect him because he's disrespectful to them and has like, 5 fights?
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Maybe they don't respect him because he's disrespectful to them and has like, 5 fights?
He said they hadn't accomplished shit and well its true. Lesnar may only have 5 fights but they like a lot of people need to realize that his fame allowed him to instantly begin training full time at the highest level. Most fighters need to obtain a certain level of success near the highest level before they even begin training at that level. Lesnar's first year of training was likely the equivalent of the first 4 of most fighters. Lesnar has a lot he can teach these guys. They are being taken down constantly and yet are refusing to listen to a NCAA champ. Wrestlers of a lower caliber have been being brought in to learn wrestling by elite fighters like BJ Penn (Kos) and Rich Franklin (Hammill) and yet these guys are to big in there britches to listen to Brock. Don't get me wrong Brock made the mistake of trying to see who was the most dedicated when picking teams instead of who was the best fighter. He ignored the fact he did not have time to fix all there short comings. Unfortunately there lack of respect for him has basically made him unable to even begin to scratch the surface. Say what you want about Lesnar but how do you explain there disrespect for Hughes? The guy is a legend and one of the top 2 WW's of all time and these WW's are not even excited about the prospect of getting to work with him.
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Old 04-22-2011, 01:29 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Actually his people not listening to him is a big part of why they are losing. They don't respect him because he was a pro wrestler and they think they know better.
Your wrong the last fighter did exactly what Brock said to do and it cost him a lot of the fight, should he have just gave up? No but Brock's cornering is chicken shit not chicken salad.

I dont see them refuse to hear what brock has to say, you see one clip of a fighter not doing what he was told for what five seconds and now the entire team is snubbing him? Nah.

I just think Brock is too much of a student in every aspect other than wrestling to teach fighters those aspects, thats what (on the show) assistant coaches are for. My only real gripe is how horrible he corners and in these fights a good corner can win you the fight.
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Actually, slapshot, I just rewatched the fight and at no point in the fight did Brock's fighter listen to him. When he told him to try to circle off the cage he ignored him. When he told him to at least hit him he didn't do that. And Brock sure as hell didn't tell him to give up before the choke was even sunk in.

So how exactly was Brock's cornering bad or was it just that the fighter didn't want to listen to him?
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