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Lesner the worst TUF coach ever?

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#1 ·
Lesner the worst TUF coach ever? I'd say yes his coaching is beyond horrible. Has no idea what it means to lead others. How can you teach what you dont know.
 
#2 ·
Lesnar's a good coach.

His team is still suffering from the backlash of Lesnar's WWE days. Lesnar's team resents their coach being a "guy from WWE" and doesn't give Lesnar the respect or credit he deserves.

That's why they're losing.

Even if Lesnar gives them good advice or training they won't listen or take it seriously because he's just "some fool from WWE who doesn't know what he's talking about".

I think the people on Lesnar's team who do respect and like him will do well. Chris Cope seems to be one of the few guys who likes and respects Brock and he won his fight.

Len Bentley -- Brock told him from the beginning not to let the things about Chris Cope being a "double agent" get in his head. Len Bentley didn't listen to Brock and let the drama get to him. End result -- he lost his fight.

Charlie Rader. Brock told him to get off the fence. Charlie didn't want to listen. Ok, Brock switches to plan B -- stay inside and throw punches, elbows + whatever. Charlie doesn't want to listen. He does the complete opposite of what Brock tells him. Charlie loses.

The people on Brock's team are being idiots. That's where the weak link in Brock's "coaching" is.
 
#10 ·
Yea Brock's team were all "we're no chicken shit" and whatnot, but this was all mouth, they should accept it when they get called "chicken shit" and listen to Brock when he teaches them how to turn into "chicken salad".

they get caught in the drama and don't seem to focus on their training or fights.

I think Brock looks like a better coach than JDS but I agree on the fact that his team don't give him the respect he deserves.
 
#13 ·
I think Lesnar is a better coach than JDS this season. JDS just wants to be their friends and isn't pushing them hard at all. His assistant is doing all the coaching. The mistake I think Lesnar made was when he was picking the fighters he didn't stick with his strong suit. He didn't pick any of the top wrestlers which I thought he would do. He took strikers so he could teach them wrestling. That plan has backfired. I think even with the shit attitude Len has he will get the wildcard. Chris Cope looked good in his fight and Charlie seems fired up after seeing his friend lose so I think he might do well in his fight. Brock isn't going to tolerate giving up though and he shouldnt. A lot of fighters this season think their shit don't stink and they havent done ANYTHING yet.
 
#22 ·
I think Lesnar is a better coach than JDS this season. JDS just wants to be their friends and isn't pushing them hard at all. His assistant is doing all the coaching.
C'mom bro, don't be so naive as to buy into everything you've heard from that idiot Polley.


I remember when one fighter was gonna puke and JDS was like "okay... well hurry up and get back here when you're done." And another guy was exhausted and fell like he couldn't keep going and JDS said to keep pushing, nobody ever died from just being tired.
 
#14 ·
Lesnar is far and away not 'the worst coach in the history of TUF'. Quite the contrary, it's more likely that this season's cast of fighters is the worst cast in the history of TUF. I expect the winner of this season to reach James Wilkes like levels of success in the UFC, so if these chumps want to have at it and treat Brock as though he doesn't know anything, then by all means... play know it all, go out, and lose. It's probably for the best we never see them again, because none of them are worthy of fighting in the Octagon, be it due to their lack of respect or their noticeable lack of talent.
 
#20 ·
Actually, slapshot, I just rewatched the fight and at no point in the fight did Brock's fighter listen to him. When he told him to try to circle off the cage he ignored him. When he told him to at least hit him he didn't do that. And Brock sure as hell didn't tell him to give up before the choke was even sunk in.

So how exactly was Brock's cornering bad or was it just that the fighter didn't want to listen to him?
 
#21 ·
Thats not what I saw, Brock told him to stay on the cage the entire fight, He did what brock told him to do and thats not saying a lot because most of the time Brock was saying HIT HIM, Like I said my seven year old is a better corner and Im not exaggerating. I have the fight on my pc and have watched it a few times as well so..

He didnt give him enough help in the cage, he didnt tell him HOW to get the TD or how to get off the cage and he encouraged him to stay in the clinch. I DID hear him say one and only one useful instruction and I dont remember it word for word but he was telling his fighter to improve his Whizzer but other than that I was not impressed, thats not the same as saying he's a horrible coach period.
 
#26 ·
Well what toxic said is not exactly correct. If you have the money you can walk right in to most all of the gyms and train at a high level heck Jacksons has their fee's right on the website.

It wont take long for the coaches to place you after you get there and most gyms put you through a evaluation of your skills so they know where to place you.

You're not going to walk in and start rolling with Jon Fitch but if you have the skills and ability its not going to take long and you'll be in with people of your skill level.

It's all about the cash.
 
#34 ·
Jackson's has the fees on there website that doesn't mean you get to train along side guys like Donald Cerrone and Leonard Garcia much less guys like GSP and Rashad. A guy like Lesnar does get those things. Yeah you can probably buy them if you wanted to but Brock got that because he was Brock Lesnar. These guys have not trained at the level of a Brock Lesnar.
 
#27 ·
He's pretty decent but I think the guys are a little pissy when he tells them how they should be wrestling (even though Brock is an accomplished amateur wrestler). But he has this tendency to motivate and demotivate. He didn't try to hide that he didn't think much of Chris Cope and after the fight he's chanting "chicken salad out of chicken shit". I know if I'm sitting there I'm going to be like "why did he say that?" but then that's part of the tiniest of feuds Brock has with them; students not fully respecting their teacher.
 
#28 ·
He's not very motivating, that's for sure. And I don't think he's being disrespected, I just think that Charlie guy for e.g. isn't very good so couldn't do anything Vs Ramsey. Len had a good fight and could've won. I doubt him believing in the double agent crap made any difference.

Fact of the matter is, when most people are lead by people they even fractionally like, people are most motivated. Or fear, but Lesner isn't scary.
 
#29 ·
Fact of the matter is, when most people are lead by people they even fractionally like, people are most motivated. Or fear, but Lesner isn't scary.
LOL well its all perspective. Let me put him in a jail cell and tell him we just picked you up for raping his mother, we can just toss you in lock the door and see if you change your mind. :)
 
#30 ·
Haha..yeah, a guy with wins over Heath Herring, Frank Mir, Randy Couture, and Shane Carwin in his first 6 fights with wrestling credentials doesn't "know anything."

Just more typical kewl kidz Brock Lesnar backlash. It's not even the end of the season and he's already a better coach than Ken Shamrock, Rampage, and Koscheck.
 
#31 ·
Yup...

...What a shame. Lesnar is the highest paid MMA fighter making 5.3 million in just a handful of fights. Nice way to motivate your fighters by doggin' them. He is the worst. When JDS and Lesnar fight, I hope Lesnar receives another half-moon gash under his other eye. Better yet, seeing JDS land his very nasty right uppercut on Brock's chin like he did to Werdum...

P.S. By the way the JDS uppercut KO on Werdum places a close second to the best one in my opinion: Jeremy Stephens unreal uppercut KO on Dos Anjos is tops...
 
#32 · (Edited)
Rampage won a total of like 3 first round fights in 2 seasons and brought in Tiki freaking Ghosn as an assistant coach the second season. One because of CB Dalloway and another because it was against Forrest's worst guy in season 7. I don't think anyone will top Rampage as the worst.

Oh, and Brock being the highest paid MMA fighter has nothing to do with him being the "worst coach on TUF of all time." The fact that you incorporated this with his coaching ability just shows you're one of these cool kids on the internet that thinks it's cool to dog Lesnar like your some MMA elitist and mad that a professional wrestler is in the UFC. Yeah, he's not that motivating. He's kind of an asshole. He gives good instructions and has atleast has already won 2 fights, one fighter most likely will be a wildcard. He's not the worst.
 
#36 ·
Brock doesn't strike me as a bad coach, but not necessarily a good one either. I think Lesnar just lacks leadership skills and communication skills. He can't seem to ever really verbalize his thoughts properly and thus "chicken shit" comes out.
 
#37 ·
He doesn't look bad at all after the last episode. The difference was this guy actually did what Brock said during the fight. When he was almost letting the other guy stand back up Brock said "punish him there" and so he did. After the sub attempt Brock said to get back to the feet and just a second later it happened. If you watch closely, Clay did everything Brock said during that fight. Maybe Brock's not a bad coach, maybe the other guys are just bad to coach.

Plus Clay's a real badass. Fighting with your bones sticking out your finger? Holy shit, I'd cry for my mommy.
 
#39 ·
I agree I thought Lesnar did good. Telling his guy useful info especially screaming at him to let him up instead of continuing to play on the ground were Dos Santos's guy had a clear advantage. Yelling at him to go for the TD at the end of the second when it would have secured the round. JDS doesn't have very good English so his instructing ability is somewhat limited.
 
#40 ·
It's going to be real interesting to see if things swing in Brock's favor it's 3-2 right now with three(maybe four) more spots up for grabs. I think Tony and Len will move on, they've gotten a lot of confessionals so it might be 4-4/5-3 going into the next round.

It should be safe to say that Brock won't be considered the worst coach in TUF history now.
 
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