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post #21 of 75 (permalink) Old 04-22-2011, 12:48 PM
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Actually, slapshot, I just rewatched the fight and at no point in the fight did Brock's fighter listen to him. When he told him to try to circle off the cage he ignored him. When he told him to at least hit him he didn't do that. And Brock sure as hell didn't tell him to give up before the choke was even sunk in.

So how exactly was Brock's cornering bad or was it just that the fighter didn't want to listen to him?
Thats not what I saw, Brock told him to stay on the cage the entire fight, He did what brock told him to do and thats not saying a lot because most of the time Brock was saying HIT HIM, Like I said my seven year old is a better corner and Im not exaggerating. I have the fight on my pc and have watched it a few times as well so..

He didnt give him enough help in the cage, he didnt tell him HOW to get the TD or how to get off the cage and he encouraged him to stay in the clinch. I DID hear him say one and only one useful instruction and I dont remember it word for word but he was telling his fighter to improve his Whizzer but other than that I was not impressed, thats not the same as saying he's a horrible coach period.
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I think Lesnar is a better coach than JDS this season. JDS just wants to be their friends and isn't pushing them hard at all. His assistant is doing all the coaching.
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He said they hadn't accomplished shit and well its true. Lesnar may only have 5 fights but they like a lot of people need to realize that his fame allowed him to instantly begin training full time at the highest level. Most fighters need to obtain a certain level of success near the highest level before they even begin training at that level. Lesnar's first year of training was likely the equivalent of the first 4 of most fighters. Lesnar has a lot he can teach these guys. They are being taken down constantly and yet are refusing to listen to a NCAA champ. Wrestlers of a lower caliber have been being brought in to learn wrestling by elite fighters like BJ Penn (Kos) and Rich Franklin (Hammill) and yet these guys are to big in there britches to listen to Brock. Don't get me wrong Brock made the mistake of trying to see who was the most dedicated when picking teams instead of who was the best fighter. He ignored the fact he did not have time to fix all there short comings. Unfortunately there lack of respect for him has basically made him unable to even begin to scratch the surface. Say what you want about Lesnar but how do you explain there disrespect for Hughes? The guy is a legend and one of the top 2 WW's of all time and these WW's are not even excited about the prospect of getting to work with him.
Maybe they do realise that and don't respect him for that reason, maybe the idea of him been given his opportunities to him on a golden plate because of his fame while others would have to work there ass off may achieve better records and still may never be given the chances he was given.

I know that's why I never respected him as a champion, and right now he is coaching on TUF because of that fame still, so maybe thats why they don't respect him as coach, and no matter how good a coach he may be if he does not have the respect of his team then he is the wrong man to be coaching them, as for turning it back on his team as been just assholes and impossible to work with, maybe that would not be the case under a different coach who therefore as a result be a better coach, in football any team would not tolerate a manager who for what ever reason could not get the respect of his team and was suffering losses as a result no matter how good a coach he was.


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Thats not what I saw, Brock told him to stay on the cage the entire fight, He did what brock told him to do and thats not saying a lot because most of the time Brock was saying HIT HIM, Like I said my seven year old is a better corner and Im not exaggerating. I have the fight on my pc and have watched it a few times as well so..

He never gave him any help in the cage, he didnt tell him HOW to get the TD or how to get off the cage and he encouraged him to stay in the clinch. I DID hear him say one and only one useful instruction and I dont remember it word for word but he was telling his fighter to improve his Whizzer but other than that I was not impressed, thats not the same as saying he's a horrible coach period.
In the first 2 minutes of round 1 Brock told him to get off the cage 2 times, stay inside 4 times, and to put ramsey against the cage 2 times. The first time he told him to get away was instantly followed by telling him to work inside which was a bit confusing. However the other times he told Charlie to do other things he didn't do anything.
Then the next two minutes he said to get busy, hit him, get out of there (followed by some encouragment), and to get up when Charlie got taken down.
Then in the last minute Brock told Charlie to get off the fence and then to put Ramsey against the fence, hit him, guillotine, and again Charlie did nothing. Second round you could tell Brock was already upset and only said to hit him twice.

So Brock's conering isn't all that great (lacking details on how to get off the cage like you said) but he didn't tell him to stay in the clinch the whole fight and Charlie never really tried to do anything except for the one time he pushed back for about a second.

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I'm guessing you never saw Rampage or Shamrock coach. Rampage at one point said he didn't care about his team and that he was only there for the money. I don't think you can get worse than that.

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Well what toxic said is not exactly correct. If you have the money you can walk right in to most all of the gyms and train at a high level heck Jacksons has their fee's right on the website.

It wont take long for the coaches to place you after you get there and most gyms put you through a evaluation of your skills so they know where to place you.

You're not going to walk in and start rolling with Jon Fitch but if you have the skills and ability its not going to take long and you'll be in with people of your skill level.

It's all about the cash.
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He's pretty decent but I think the guys are a little pissy when he tells them how they should be wrestling (even though Brock is an accomplished amateur wrestler). But he has this tendency to motivate and demotivate. He didn't try to hide that he didn't think much of Chris Cope and after the fight he's chanting "chicken salad out of chicken shit". I know if I'm sitting there I'm going to be like "why did he say that?" but then that's part of the tiniest of feuds Brock has with them; students not fully respecting their teacher.
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He's not very motivating, that's for sure. And I don't think he's being disrespected, I just think that Charlie guy for e.g. isn't very good so couldn't do anything Vs Ramsey. Len had a good fight and could've won. I doubt him believing in the double agent crap made any difference.

Fact of the matter is, when most people are lead by people they even fractionally like, people are most motivated. Or fear, but Lesner isn't scary.
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Fact of the matter is, when most people are lead by people they even fractionally like, people are most motivated. Or fear, but Lesner isn't scary.
LOL well its all perspective. Let me put him in a jail cell and tell him we just picked you up for raping his mother, we can just toss you in lock the door and see if you change your mind.
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Haha..yeah, a guy with wins over Heath Herring, Frank Mir, Randy Couture, and Shane Carwin in his first 6 fights with wrestling credentials doesn't "know anything."

Just more typical kewl kidz Brock Lesnar backlash. It's not even the end of the season and he's already a better coach than Ken Shamrock, Rampage, and Koscheck.
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