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post #51 of 75 (permalink) Old 04-30-2011, 09:48 AM
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post #52 of 75 (permalink) Old 04-30-2011, 11:21 AM
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Brock is just telling the truth. I'm sick of coaches or whoever on this show telling these guys that they're great, gonna be a world champ, this and that.

And while it comes off as negative, he's challenging them to prove him wrong. He's telling these guys that they are nobodies in this sport...and he's right. Make yourself into something from nothing, that's the mentality. It's a harsh way to motivate, but it's still motivating. And I wouldn't say JDS is a better coach than Brock. Of course this could be because of the whole english conflict JDS has, but to say he's "better?" Why? Because he's nicer than Brock? Get outta here with that.

You put him in the five "worst" coaches. When you say it like that, it's like you're saying he's a bad coach which he's far from. Tito wasn't a bad coach either.

The only real "bad" coaches on the show have been Koscheck, Rampage, and Shamrock.

It's just this crap late that Lesnar attracts for people to be saying this. LISTEN TO HIM COACH THE GUYS IN THE OCTAGON, people. He's not bad, at all.
Exactly what is motivating about telling your team they're bullsh*t, that they suck? And from day one refering to your team as chicken sh*t. Its rediculous to say that's good coaching.

JDS motivates his team obviously. There's no drama on JDS' team, and they're constantly winning. If that doesn't say he's a good coach what does?

He's one of the worst because his entire stock of fighters are getting walked through, because of poor preparation. Its obvious they don't respect him because of how he acts. Everyone knew Lesnar's fighters would come in with a chip on his shoulder because he just caught a serious beatdown. And he's done nothing to overcome that one-dimensional image. Telling everyone on his team to wrestle? Not everyone is supposed to be a wrestler.

Day one Lesnar said his team was chicken sh*t. This isn't "lately" he's been shitty. His team's been getting its ass kicked from day one, because he can't lead them. Only one of his fighters have won, there are only 3 left.

Tito was a terrible leader against Liddell. His fighters were stuck behind a man who was just trying to get into Chuck's head and didn't seem to give a sh*t about the fighters. Just like Koscheck, just like Rampage, just like Shamrock.

On top of that, coaching isn't all about barking orders while the fighter is in the octagon fighting. Its about designing a gameplan, and prepping the fighter physically and mentally for the fight. In that regard JDS is a far superior coach because he doesn't berate or attempt to demoralize his fighters. He's patient, which is why he fighters are dominating. He knows how to lead them.



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Exactly what is motivating about telling your team they're bullsh*t, that they suck? And from day one refering to your team as chicken sh*t. Its rediculous to say that's good coaching.

JDS motivates his team obviously. There's no drama on JDS' team, and they're constantly winning. If that doesn't say he's a good coach what does?

He's one of the worst because his entire stock of fighters are getting walked through, because of poor preparation. Its obvious they don't respect him because of how he acts. Everyone knew Lesnar's fighters would come in with a chip on his shoulder because he just caught a serious beatdown. And he's done nothing to overcome that one-dimensional image. Telling everyone on his team to wrestle? Not everyone is supposed to be a wrestler.

Day one Lesnar said his team was chicken sh*t. This isn't "lately" he's been shitty. His team's been getting its ass kicked from day one, because he can't lead them. Only one of his fighters have won, there are only 3 left.

Tito was a terrible leader against Liddell. His fighters were stuck behind a man who was just trying to get into Chuck's head and didn't seem to give a sh*t about the fighters. Just like Koscheck, just like Rampage, just like Shamrock.

On top of that, coaching isn't all about barking orders while the fighter is in the octagon fighting. Its about designing a gameplan, and prepping the fighter physically and mentally for the fight. In that regard JDS is a far superior coach because he doesn't berate or attempt to demoralize his fighters. He's patient, which is why he fighters are dominating. He knows how to lead them.
I think you need to go rewatch this week's episode and rethink you post.
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I'm going to point something out here. Lesnar's team is not getting dominated. It's 3-2 in JDS' favor right now. Not exactly a commanding lead. His fighter's aren't dominating.

Neither of the coaches here are great coaches. Lesnar gets frustrated with his team and says things he probably shouldn't. JDS gets frustrated with his coaching staff and rifts form there. No one is going out there and being a horrible coach.

Did Lesnar berate his team? Yes and they ******* deserved it. They won't listen and his last fighter prior just gave up. Len Bentley thinks he's too damn good to listen to anything Lesnar has to say and keeps going on about his highlight (which translates to our language as horrible) fight.

Does JDS' team get along better? Yeah but there is a power struggle going on up top. Something that could jeopardize the whole team in a far worse way than a few guys not liking how Lesnar talks.

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Exactly what is motivating about telling your team they're bullsh*t, that they suck? And from day one refering to your team as chicken sh*t. Its rediculous to say that's good coaching.

JDS motivates his team obviously. There's no drama on JDS' team, and they're constantly winning. If that doesn't say he's a good coach what does?

He's one of the worst because his entire stock of fighters are getting walked through, because of poor preparation. Its obvious they don't respect him because of how he acts. Everyone knew Lesnar's fighters would come in with a chip on his shoulder because he just caught a serious beatdown. And he's done nothing to overcome that one-dimensional image. Telling everyone on his team to wrestle? Not everyone is supposed to be a wrestler.

Day one Lesnar said his team was chicken sh*t. This isn't "lately" he's been shitty. His team's been getting its ass kicked from day one, because he can't lead them. Only one of his fighters have won, there are only 3 left.

Tito was a terrible leader against Liddell. His fighters were stuck behind a man who was just trying to get into Chuck's head and didn't seem to give a sh*t about the fighters. Just like Koscheck, just like Rampage, just like Shamrock.

On top of that, coaching isn't all about barking orders while the fighter is in the octagon fighting. Its about designing a gameplan, and prepping the fighter physically and mentally for the fight. In that regard JDS is a far superior coach because he doesn't berate or attempt to demoralize his fighters. He's patient, which is why he fighters are dominating. He knows how to lead them.
I already explained why it was motivating and Brock's intentions. Read.

If by constantly winning you mean a 3-2 lead with one fight being razor even..constant, indeed.

Are you even watching this season? Brock's team is getting walked through? Well for one that's not true, and since it's not true, Brock being the "worst" coach isn't true either.

So he's telling his team to wrestle..okay? You'd be bitching if Brock was training these guys jitz and muay thai and go "how can this guy teach something he knows nothing of!? Worst coach eva!"

He said they were chicken shit...and to turn themselves into chicken salad. Again I say, read my original post and it'll explain to you this kind of motivation. There is NOTHING wrong with being painfully honest, which Brock is. He even said so himself he got his ass kicked by Cain Velasquez and it was no one's fault but his. These fighters are nobodies, they are TRYING OUT to be a UFC washout for crying out loud. Brock is simply stating that you guys are nobodies and MAKE yourself into a somebody in this sport. It's harsh, but it's true.

Ready for broken record syndrome? Watch the fights that Brock corners. He gives out good instructions and gives his fighters the best chance to win. There is no denying this and there is no arguing it. Yeah, no shit, coaching isn't just about advising your fighters in a fight. And Brock doesn't design a gameplan? How the hell do you know this? Are you in the same room as him? Of course he gives out a freaking gameplan.

Haha and I'm sorry, but Lesnar's team causing "drama" is another reason Lesnar is a bad coach? These people are GROWN men, Brock isn't their dad and can't control what goes on in the house. In fact, when the one dude approached Brock about some type of drama, Brock said just ignore it and focus on your fight. What more does he need to say?

All of your points are either factually false or wrong in a bias fashion. You're picking at straws and turning them into negatives when trying to dog Brock, which is what most people do when they want to hate the guy so it's all good.

Then again, I think I just wasted my time with this post because I'm about 99% sure you haven't even watched this season, just saw previews for the upcoming episode or some shit.

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I already explained why it was motivating and Brock's intentions. Read.

If by constantly winning you mean a 3-2 lead with one fight being razor even..constant, indeed.

Are you even watching this season? Brock's team is getting walked through? Well for one that's not true, and since it's not true, Brock being the "worst" coach isn't true either.

So he's telling his team to wrestle..okay? You'd be bitching if Brock was training these guys jitz and muay thai and go "how can this guy teach something he knows nothing of!? Worst coach eva!"

He said they were chicken shit...and to turn themselves into chicken salad. Again I say, read my original post and it'll explain to you this kind of motivation. There is NOTHING wrong with being painfully honest, which Brock is. He even said so himself he got his ass kicked by Cain Velasquez and it was no one's fault but his. These fighters are nobodies, they are TRYING OUT to be a UFC washout for crying out loud. Brock is simply stating that you guys are nobodies and MAKE yourself into a somebody in this sport. It's harsh, but it's true.

Ready for broken record syndrome? Watch the fights that Brock corners. He gives out good instructions and gives his fighters the best chance to win. There is no denying this and there is no arguing it. Yeah, no shit, coaching isn't just about advising your fighters in a fight. And Brock doesn't design a gameplan? How the hell do you know this? Are you in the same room as him? Of course he gives out a freaking gameplan.

Haha and I'm sorry, but Lesnar's team causing "drama" is another reason Lesnar is a bad coach? These people are GROWN men, Brock isn't their dad and can't control what goes on in the house. In fact, when the one dude approached Brock about some type of drama, Brock said just ignore it and focus on your fight. What more does he need to say?

All of your points are either factually false or wrong in a bias fashion. You're picking at straws and turning them into negatives when trying to dog Brock, which is what most people do when they want to hate the guy so it's all good.

Then again, I think I just wasted my time with this post because I'm about 99% sure you haven't even watched this season, just saw previews for the upcoming episode or some shit.
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Brock isnt a bad coach AT ALL. Infact i like coaches like Brock alot more then coaches like JDS. My wrestling coach was a dick and called me all sorts of names. IMO it made me get thicker skin and made me work harder. That said, he was also very willing to praise me when i did a good job. The coaching i like is a coach that isnt in between. When you are sucking, he tells you you suck, when you are doing good he tells you, you are doing good. Thats the type of coach is see Brock as and thats the type of coach i can respect. You gotta remember that Brock comes from a serious wrestling background. I guarantee you the type of training Brock went through in wrestling is 3x as tough as the type of training these TUF guys are going through. If you arnt being pushed by your coach in wrestling then you are just never going to step into the elite group of wrestlers.

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These guys need to grow thicker skin. Start respecting a fighter that with 2 years of MMA experience was able to get wins over quality opponents and capture the UFC HW title. And soak up as much wrestling as you can because wrestling is going to win you fights whether you want to take someone down or just learn how to keep it on the feet.

A coach like JDS is the type of coach i would like if im doing something for fun... not for a living.

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Brock is pretty negative and does throw his dummy out the pram. I wouldnt say he is the worst but would mych rather be on santos team. Brock still seems like he is in the WE the way he acts.
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Lesnar has already had two fighters win this season, so he's definitely better than Rampage, from a purely statistical standpoint. Frankly, I think he's also shown himself to be a better coach than either Rampage or Ken Shamrock was. He definitely has given more to his fighters in terms of support.

Is he a great coach? No, not really. But he's not terrible.



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I think during the fight Brock yells much more useful comments out than JDS. In the first fight tonight you could here Lesnar yelling at his fighter to use his length while JDS just yelled "yes, yes, yes". Even through other fights Lesnar is clearly giving his fighters better advice than JDS.




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