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well, I wouldnt count them out yet, but according to the C.E.O this might be the last console for numerous reasons
the hardware (processor, ram, video card) is inferior to the 360, the 360 has a base of 10 million users, ps3 has a base of 1 million
for each ps3 sold, sony loses $300 just because of the blue-ray, alot of their popular titles are going over to the 360, both for the hardware specs and the base of people (if you were to make a game, who would you sell it to, the 10 million people or 1 million people?)
the only reason ps3's are being sold is because they are the cheapest blue-ray player on the market, plus it plays games
but if you are a true gamer like me, you want hardware, the ps3 just doesnt have it, sure, the blue-ray can hold more room, but whats the point when it wont look near as good as the 360 could
this isnt a rant or a biased post, it is fact and ps3 is going under, if you bought one, id suggest selling it now while its still worth money.
well, I wouldnt count them out yet, but according to the C.E.O this might be the last console for numerous reasons
the hardware (processor, ram, video card) is inferior to the 360, the 360 has a base of 10 million users, ps3 has a base of 1 million
for each ps3 sold, sony loses $300 just because of the blue-ray, alot of their popular titles are going over to the 360, both for the hardware specs and the base of people (if you were to make a game, who would you sell it to, the 10 million people or 1 million people?)
the only reason ps3's are being sold is because they are the cheapest blue-ray player on the market, plus it plays games
but if you are a true gamer like me, you want hardware, the ps3 just doesnt have it, sure, the blue-ray can hold more room, but whats the point when it wont look near as good as the 360 could
this isnt a rant or a biased post, it is fact and ps3 is going under, if you bought one, id suggest selling it now while its still worth money.
Can you link me to the story regarding the CEO?
I have no interest in the PS3, and would be as happy as the next Big N fanboy to see its demise, but I don't think the PS3 is going under. If anything is going to save it, it is the Blu ray player it houses. Blu Ray is (sadly) overtaking HD-DVD and will become the winner.
I don't like either format, and wish the industry could stop ****ing us around (something that will NEVER happen)
and release movies in a chip format a la memory cards.
Back to PS3. I'd wait until after this years Christmas sales numbers are in to declare the system's status.
well, I wouldnt count them out yet, but according to the C.E.O this might be the last console for numerous reasons
the hardware (processor, ram, video card) is inferior to the 360, the 360 has a base of 10 million users, ps3 has a base of 1 million
for each ps3 sold, sony loses $300 just because of the blue-ray, alot of their popular titles are going over to the 360, both for the hardware specs and the base of people (if you were to make a game, who would you sell it to, the 10 million people or 1 million people?)
the only reason ps3's are being sold is because they are the cheapest blue-ray player on the market, plus it plays games
but if you are a true gamer like me, you want hardware, the ps3 just doesnt have it, sure, the blue-ray can hold more room, but whats the point when it wont look near as good as the 360 could
this isnt a rant or a biased post, it is fact and ps3 is going under, if you bought one, id suggest selling it now while its still worth money.
I'd say that your post is a rant and biased on top of that. Now, I'm not the staunchest of SONY supporters (in fact, I want blu-ray to die a fiery death) but I also know that my career in the industry is probably as long as some of the younger posters here have been alive, so let me give you another viewpoint to consider.
It's funny how you entone that the X360 is the future crowned ruler of the console industry, when analysts have noted that Microsofts Home and Entertainment division have lost an average of $1 billion a year ever since 2002. You can look at the article here with the figures on the X360. Sure Sony may lose on the sales of PS3 hardware, but all hardware consoles lose money. According to BusinessWeek.com the X360 operates at approximately $129 lost on each console sold (the article here) and that is under the assumption that the components used to produce the X360 were purchased at a discount. With that in mind, hardware sales isn't really a good indicator of a company's standing in the industry. All the money is made up in software sales, licensing and subscription/servicing fees. That's how it is, and that's how it has always been since the first 3rd-party developers began to exist since before the 1980's.
That being said, this year (especially with less than 6 months passing since launch) isn't a good year to proclaim any platform "dead." At best, it wouldn't be prudent to begin any concrete forecasting on the state of the industry until the end of the 2007 fiscal year (April 2008) when all the numbers are tallied, profits and losess included, before any realistic pictures of the state of the industry can even begin to be put together. This year is what's known as a "transition year" as everyone in the industry is waiting to see how quickly users are going to embrace the new consoles. To start proclaiming anything else otherwise would be jumping the gun at best, and exercising dangerously gross ignorance at worst.
Here's my take on it: The PS3 isn't doing as well as Sony would like it to be simply for the fact that it is too damn expensive. At MSRP's ranging from $499 to $599 on the hardware alone, once you factor in a couple games, and an extra controller you are easily looking at $750+ after taxes. Most people do not like looking at figures that look like their monthly rent when considering a source of entertainment. However, if the "must have" exclusive apps/games that are on the horizon deliver to the masses, then the price of admission will be considered a mere pitence to the hardcore gamer.
This is in stark contrast to the 3rd contender in the video game industry, Nintendo's Wii. At the MSRP of $249, the average gamer will be able to shell out around $400 for the system and extra Wii-mote/Nunchuk and game to begin gaming with reckless abandon. In fact, there is a huge shortage in the Wii hardware right now. They cannot keep the things stocked well enough before the system is bought up. The downside to Nintendo's outlook is that there is a significantly lower number of "must-have" exclusive games that are slated for it. Further, since the hardware isn't able to flex the same power as the PS3 or X360, games are going to look very dated, very quickly.
Now the X360 is in a comfortable lead in comparison to it's "Next Gen" counterparts. Sure, that market analysis was grim, but it was for the whole of Microsoft's Home and Entertainment division. The XBox and X360 are only part of that. Due to the number of exclusive titles and 11 month headstart, the X360 has a very firm foothold in both the U.S. and Europe, which is more than enough to compensate for lack of support in Japan. Further, the report doesn't account for online services/goods which is very profitable because the transmission of IP (Intellectual Property) without having to sell material goods is without the majority of overhead that is normally incurred. However, with the new generation/models of X360s that they have slated, they will begin incurring even greater losses per hardware sale than what was previously stated.
Aside from all of that, you also have to keep in mind that the average life cycle of each Console generation is about 7 and 1/2 years, and it usually isn't anywhere near possible to make any educated analysis until you are about 18 to 24 months in. With that in mind, it would be premature to proclaim the "state of the industry" one way or the other without blatantly waving a banner of "fan-boyism" overhead. In the end if Microsoft does end up taking the "lead" in the video game industry, it won't mean any sort of death knell for Sony. It may end up simply being a case of polarized markets.
Regardless, I'll probably own a PS3 sooner or later. Why, because as a "hardcore gamer" I play games, not consoles.
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I was just stating that the 360's hardware is better, what would you rather play, a system that lags or a system that runs smoothly and can view more on a screen at once due to the video card cores
I cant seem to find the article, I originally got it from g4tv.com, originally heard it on attack of the show.
If you are talking pure numbers, the PS3 is marginally better in the horsepower department. You can view the specs in this page here at About.com. The XBox specs I've found here are from CNetNews.com. The CPU speeds are about the same, but the Cell processor handles more calculations. The system ram is higher on the X360, but it is shared amongst the system functions, not dedicated like the PS3. Further, the connectivity options for HD display are already present on the PS3, a higher number controller connectivity, and a newer HD media format. Believe me, the difference is very small but the PS3 has the edge in raw horsepower.
Now does that impress me all that much? Nope. To tell you the truth, I haven't seen a game on the X360 or PS3 that I don't think could not have been done on the Dreamcast (visually speaking). Further, I think one of the best looking games to date is on the PS2. Does that mean the PS2 is more powerful than the X360 or PS3? Hell no. It just means that developers have an easier time making games for the system. And that's the case with the PS3 right now. It is proving to be much harder to work with in comparison to the X360. Nothing more, nothing less. Hell, the initial games for the SNES played abysmally in comparison to the Sega Genesis when it first came out, but it was pushing more Video and Audio horsepower than it right out of the box. The later games were proof of that.
Again, does that mean that Sony should call it quits? Again, hell no. It just means that (as most who follow the industry agree) their launch plan was abysmal. I don't think it was something that they didn't consider. If that was the case, they would have outright dropped all support for the PS2.
They aren't making money off of PSPs, so something's got to keep them afloat, right?
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its not that sony is gonna call it quits, they are losing money rapidly and will continue to do so until their is a large base of people who own a ps3, alot of exclusive titles (devil may cry, gta, final fantasy) are gonna be on both (blame them?)
so seeings how the user base is so low, they wont gain much from producers, they already lost millions, if not billions from psp like you stated, that is why the c.e.o decided to call it quits on game consoles (maybe, theyre basically saying they dont have plans on making a future console, meanwhile microsoft is already in the works and expect something new out within ten years)
sony is better off sticking to players, hardware, televisions and audio
Actually... Not really. Like I said, everyone loses money on video game hardware regardless of the platform. The funny thing about Sony is that the grand majority of their profits that they have enjoyed for more than the past decade (from the original Playstation to now) has come from their video game division. All of their other divisions have lost money in comparison. In between 1995 to 2002, SONY reported $36 billion dollars in revenue (source here). Yes, billions. Do you think they are going to decide to pack up only after 5 months? Please, they aren't going to throw away the opportunity to see the downside of that. No business man would react in such a fashion.
If this is anything like Sony's other "state of the industry" addresses, they were probably hinting at trying to re-label the industry (as they've tried to many times in the past). If Blu-ray becomes the new standardized format (I hope it doesn't), then Sony doesn't even need to try to sell hardware as all the software from Movies on Up produced and sold will carry a royalty and licensing fee that will end up directly in their pockets. In the end, hardware is an already accepted loss. All the money is made in software.
Now if you picked this up off of things presented on G4TV, you've just given me another reason to dislike the channel. Those guys are enthusiastic, but they don't know shit half the time.
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