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Old 06-20-2013, 04:22 AM   #71 (permalink)
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And back on the fence I go.

I'll probably wait to see reactions to both before I buy one of either.
As you should. Preordering is beyond stupid.

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Old 06-20-2013, 05:02 AM   #72 (permalink)
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Still not buying it. Not buying a PS3 either, at least not during the first year. I'm gonna sit back and tell the guys who get a RROD or YLOD "I informed you thusly".
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Old 06-20-2013, 10:16 AM   #73 (permalink)
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Xbox is still behind in my book. Inferior hardware, more expensive and online is more expensive.
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Old 06-23-2013, 01:08 PM   #74 (permalink)
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Im annoyed that they changed their minds on it, i was curious to see what it could of been, i was really curious about the online store where you could sell your games back as well as not to have disks just my gamertag. blah! i was getting it regardless but i am annoyed they gave up the future of gaming because people were not ready before it even started,

would have liked them to put it out and then people would have realized it was not a bad thing and actually had cool features.
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Just because it may be the eventual future of gaming, doesn't mean it is a good one. The future of gaming is less about the gamer, and much more about how much money the companies can rake in.

And it wasn't just complaints, MS was losing terribly. It isn't a coincidence that they changed everything after the preorders opened up.
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Old 06-23-2013, 01:54 PM   #76 (permalink)
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it is actually a good future,

Almost everyone has internet so being online is not a issue
It was trying to turn all games into digital form so you eventually would not need disk
Could sell the game back to the digital store after you did not want it anymore
Games stayed with your gamertag so you could just take your gamertag to a friends house and not a bunch of disks
No losing or scratching disk for everything is online

I liked it and do see it being the future of gaming and would liked to see it being implemented and after the kinks are ironed out i think allot of people would of liked it.

would of really liked to but blockbuster games online instead of waiting in line at the store ect on realease night

eventually i believe games would go down in price cause they dont have to spend money on discs/packaging and all the rest

but alas we well not know this time around..back to relying on discs ect
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I'm an old school gamer. Story mode, single player, two player max. None of this online shite where some 12 year old from Wales makes remarks about my sexuality because I clobbered him in UFC. Sounds like PS4 is more up my alley.
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it is actually a good future,

Almost everyone has internet so being online is not a issue
It was trying to turn all games into digital form so you eventually would not need disk
Could sell the game back to the digital store after you did not want it anymore
Games stayed with your gamertag so you could just take your gamertag to a friends house and not a bunch of disks
No losing or scratching disk for everything is online

I liked it and do see it being the future of gaming and would liked to see it being implemented and after the kinks are ironed out i think allot of people would of liked it.

would of really liked to but blockbuster games online instead of waiting in line at the store ect on realease night

eventually i believe games would go down in price cause they dont have to spend money on discs/packaging and all the rest

but alas we well not know this time around..back to relying on discs ect
The internet can be pretty bad in my area. There are towns who only just got DSL speed this year (yeah, it's a rural area). Plus the biggest internet provider in Germany has gone down the road of slowing down flatrates after a certain amount of traffic. I can barely watch a video in HD on Youtube at the end of the month. Having even more traffic certainly won't help that.
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it is actually a good future,

Almost everyone has internet so being online is not a issue
It was trying to turn all games into digital form so you eventually would not need disk
Could sell the game back to the digital store after you did not want it anymore
Games stayed with your gamertag so you could just take your gamertag to a friends house and not a bunch of disks
No losing or scratching disk for everything is online

I liked it and do see it being the future of gaming and would liked to see it being implemented and after the kinks are ironed out i think allot of people would of liked it.

would of really liked to but blockbuster games online instead of waiting in line at the store ect on realease night

eventually i believe games would go down in price cause they dont have to spend money on discs/packaging and all the rest

but alas we well not know this time around..back to relying on discs ect
1. No not everyone has internet, and certainly not good internet. I pay $160 for my internet/cable a month, top end speed/quality, and my net still shuts down from time to time. There are people out there who can't afford monthly internet costs, they buy a console as a whole and then that's that, they have a gaming rig and no monthly fee to use it. There's a large portion of people this would have screwed, from people with bad internet to people who can't afford an extra monthly fee, to people who aren't in a situation where they can have it at all. More over, MS's excuse for "always online" was tablets and other devices that are "always online". Yet fail to realize that when my iPad loses internet connection, I still have accesss to all of my music, games, apps, and everything else for however long I want. That's the problem, not that internet beefs up the experience a lot, but that when my internet goes down my console turns into a brick. My iPad isn't a brick when my wifi loses signal, it's a fully functioning device that I can make full use of with everything I have on it. That's the real major problem with how it was going to be.

2. People like discs. I like owning my product. I don't like buying a game and then having that game shut down whenever MS decides they don't want to support the Xbox One anymore. I like a physical copy in my house/storage that I can play on my offline console anytime I want any day in the future. People don't want discs to go away, it means we own the product and we can play it anytime we want any day we want in the future (assuming the console doesn't require online... which goes with the first point).

3. What price would you be able to sell back for? To who? To what company? Anyone of my choosing? If I buy a brand new game at $60, play it for 3-4 days either finish it or don't like it, can I go sell it for $40-50 to someone as it's still a perfect conditioned new release? No, I highly doubt that. You'd be able to sell it back for $10-20 at best more than likely. What's wrong with selling your game for a good price in real?

4. This could have been interesting I agree. However this also meant you could not trade your games. I could not take my game, give to you, and say here you go buddy enjoy. Then when you are done give to my other friend and say here you go, enjoy as well. People borrow/trade used games constantly cause people can't afford $60 a pop for every new game, that's why game rentals/trading are needed not only in gaming but all markets from used cars to DVDs, people can't afford new.

Point being, all these features are not good features, they are not improvements or anything consumers generally want. If I buy a product I want to own that product, if I want to trade it or sell it wherever/whenever I want, let as many friends as I want to borrow it, shove it up my ass if I feel the need someday, I want the ability to do that 'cause it's my product, I bought it. The Xbox One shut all that out and stripped the consumer from any consumer rights they had of the product they purchased.

I think everyone can agree that digital only will be the future of not just gaming but movies and everything else as well. However, the system/structure must be done in a way that allows consumer freedom and ownership of their product, and that's why nobody was buying the Xbox One and they had to change, only a handful liked the way it was and they could see their sales in the toilet.

Probably too long a post on a discussion that's already been talked to death lol.
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A little tidbit for you -

Everyone said the price of buying a movie would be cheaper when DVD's came out - cheaper to produce and less packaging over a VHS cassette.

They were more expensive. The industry justified it by saying you get all these little features like interviews with the cast ect. Pretty much the promo material they used to show on TV. But with DVD's they had the storage space to put a load of junk on it that, really, only a movie nerd would appreciate.

Same thing will happen with Digital Downloads, they'll give this armour, that weapon, some artwork and bunch of other shit that doesn't really affect the game. Then they'll have their excuse to justify charging more than a traditional DVD would cost.
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