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Old 07-22-2012, 03:23 PM   #1271 (permalink)
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Too bad we can't get too see what she's working with under there. Ash got a boobjob and a new haircut in the 3rd, can't let that go to waste.
You can see Tali in ME3, she leaves a picture of herself up in your room for you later on in the game.

Sadly, it's a stock photo that you can find on the internet years ago that Bioware horribly photoshopped, instead of actually designing her so that they could save money and cut corners like they did with Dragon Age 2. Quite pathetic.
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Old 07-22-2012, 03:27 PM   #1272 (permalink)
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Too bad we can't get too see what she's working with under there. Ash got a boobjob and a new haircut in the 3rd, can't let that go to waste.
FWIW Liara also got a boobjob. I guess all these ladies had a little more developing to do over the years, lol.

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You can see Tali in ME3, she leaves a picture of herself up in your room for you later on in the game.

Sadly, it's a stock photo that you can find on the internet years ago that Bioware horribly photoshopped, instead of actually designing her so that they could save money and cut corners like they did with Dragon Age 2. Quite pathetic.
That's more common than one might think in video game productions. A lot of artists start with a physical model (who they in some cases did not pay to use as a base) and then build their model/portrait on it. Remember the Neverwinter Nights scandal when several of their portraits were practically identical to some celebrity photos? One was virtually identical to an angelina jolie photo. Not surprised they just grabbed a royalty-free image for Tali, TBH.

Found the thread I remembered seeing it in, but unfortunately it looks like the image links are all dead. 9 years old :/
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Old 07-22-2012, 04:16 PM   #1273 (permalink)
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FWIW Liara also got a boobjob. I guess all these ladies had a little more developing to do over the years, lol.



That's more common than one might think in video game productions. A lot of artists start with a physical model (who they in some cases did not pay to use as a base) and then build their model/portrait on it. Remember the Neverwinter Nights scandal when several of their portraits were practically identical to some celebrity photos? One was virtually identical to an angelina jolie photo. Not surprised they just grabbed a royalty-free image for Tali, TBH.

Found the thread I remembered seeing it in, but unfortunately it looks like the image links are all dead. 9 years old :/
It's lazy and they did it to cut costs, it has nothing to do with art or how they thought she would look. Her hand for example is not even proportionate to what the Quarian's hands look like, it wasn't designed or thought out, it's a quick Photoshop edit to save money, the same kind of crap they did on Dragon Age 2.

Designing a character based on a real model is fine, I never complained when they modeled Miranda after the real actress, they put the work and effort into actually designing her in the game and making her a character, with Tali they found a photo online that they thought looked interesting, did a 30 minutes at best Photoshop edit on it (if it took them longer than 30 minutes then whomever does their graphics design needs to be fired), then said we're good to go. It's cheap and it's lazy, done to cut costs.
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It's lazy and they did it to cut costs, it has nothing to do with art or how they thought she would look. Her hand for example is not even proportionate to what the Quarian's hands look like, it wasn't designed or thought out, it's a quick Photoshop edit to save money, the same kind of crap they did on Dragon Age 2.

Designing a character based on a real model is fine, I never complained when they modeled Miranda after the real actress, they put the work and effort into actually designing her in the game and making her a character, with Tali they found a photo online that they thought looked interesting, did a 30 minutes at best Photoshop edit on it (if it took them longer than 30 minutes then whomever does their graphics design needs to be fired), then said we're good to go. It's cheap and it's lazy, done to cut costs.
Yeah, and that doesnt surprise me really. I mean I doubt they ever bothered to model a face under the helmet, why would they? So faced with paying for concept art, then modellers, texture artists, maybe even animators if you want to have an option for her to have multiple expressions and so forth... i could see the worker-hours hitting thousands of dollars, maybe tens of, which does seem expensive for the purposes of putting a photo on a desk.

It's too bad though, as fully developing a suitless tali would open doors for later DLC that I think a lot of fans would dig.
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Yeah, and that doesnt surprise me really. I mean I doubt they ever bothered to model a face under the helmet, why would they? So faced with paying for concept art, then modellers, texture artists, maybe even animators if you want to have an option for her to have multiple expressions and so forth... i could see the worker-hours hitting thousands of dollars, maybe tens of, which does seem expensive for the purposes of putting a photo on a desk.

It's too bad though, as fully developing a suitless tali would open doors for later DLC that I think a lot of fans would dig.
For a multi-million dollar company backed by a multi-billion dollar company, making a $60 product that is supposed to be high end, quickly Photoshopping an entire character model after 2 games of most being curious about the look of her is unacceptable as a consumer and is one of the many reasons why many hate both of them these days, especially EA, winning the "worst company in America" award this year.

It is what it is, but I certainly don't support horrible companies like that, that's why any EA/Bioware games I buy are used and recycled so they get no profit, and at this point, probably won't even do that.

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On an unrelated note, I just finished my first full game of Civilization V. I got 1st place and won on general points (I think, maybe someone can explain this to me)? The first half of the game I was being diplomatic, made friends with most city-states and allied with a few of them, then I helped...someone can't remember who, go to war with France as France was trying to get in on my land as it was, we took them out then the guy I allied with to take down France got all mad that I did so (weird), so I took him out and then just gradually became a military power instead of being diplomatic (although I was still friends with Rome/City-States) and killed them off one by one, getting free upgraded troops from my City-State allies. The only city capital that was left was Siam who was on a different continent, I had a navy/ships but by the time I nuked Rome, the game was like 5 turns from finishing so never got over there.

I also just bought Splinter Cell Conviction for 5 bucks on Steam, I already beat the game a long time ago but I want to play it again on PC (played 360 version), and my friend also picked it up today, so we can co-op as well, which I hear is 4-6 hours long or so.
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Old 07-22-2012, 07:20 PM   #1276 (permalink)
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I guess to me it's not that big a deal. None of us knew what she looked like anyway. They could have picked ron perlman's face and it would have been hard to argue. and more expensive. This was a huge game to begin with.
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I guess to me it's not that big a deal. None of us knew what she looked like anyway. They could have picked ron perlman's face and it would have been hard to argue. and more expensive. This was a huge game to begin with.
We all have our ways of thinking.

Another thing on Civ 5, I thought it was like a strategy game that lasts an hour or so per game, I had no idea it would take me 4 days to beat one game. Is it normally that long? 500 turns doesn't sound like a lot but I played a good 3-4 hours a day and it took over half a week to finish.

I like it like that, so that when you grow your empire and stuff you actually get to have fun using it/advancing it, rather than moving through the game in an hour or two, but damn I had no idea it was that long or maybe I just took longer to move than normal since it was my first game.
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We all have our ways of thinking.

Another thing on Civ 5, I thought it was like a strategy game that lasts an hour or so per game, I had no idea it would take me 4 days to beat one game. Is it normally that long? 500 turns doesn't sound like a lot but I played a good 3-4 hours a day and it took over half a week to finish.

I like it like that, so that when you grow your empire and stuff you actually get to have fun using it/advancing it, rather than moving through the game in an hour or two, but damn I had no idea it was that long or maybe I just took longer to move than normal since it was my first game.
That's pretty normal. you can play accelerated games or longer games but yeah, a typical game should take many days or even weeks depending on how much time you can put it into it per day.
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