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Old 09-26-2012, 04:42 PM   #1691 (permalink)
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Also, Black Ops EASILY smashes every FPS ever.
That is an utterly ridiculous statement.
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The only online FPS I take seriously/enjoy on a consistent basis is TF2.
Same here. 1966 hours played, according to steam
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Old 09-26-2012, 05:28 PM   #1693 (permalink)
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Yeah mann I went Lennox Lewis and smashed everyone online. I only lost once and it was someone going Rocky Marciano and spamming his exaggerated jab.

Black Ops has the most players for a reason. I started with Rainbox Six and said I'd never switch. Then I played COD and it quickly broke me down. I usually finish at like 16-1 in my games, or something like that, so getting kills isn't easy for my opponents I'm assuming.

Yeah, I brag about CPU gaming skills....WHUT?
Black Ops is one of the worst Multiplayer first person shooters ever created.

Twilight is one of the most popular films of our generation, does that mean it's good? Numbers don't mean any thing. 85 percent of the cod fan base is 12-15 year old chavvy little kids.

The balancing is terrible, the skill celing is incredibly low and the kill times are ridiculously high. It's a game of who sees who first wins, resulting in very campy, slow paced game play.

Play some proper FPS arena shooters like Quake live (free to play browser) and lets see how well you do there. Then you'll realise the meaning of true skill and balance.
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Old 09-26-2012, 06:33 PM   #1694 (permalink)
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Black Ops is one of the worst Multiplayer first person shooters ever created.

Twilight is one of the most popular films of our generation, does that mean it's good? Numbers don't mean any thing. 85 percent of the cod fan base is 12-15 year old chavvy little kids.

The balancing is terrible, the skill celing is incredibly low and the kill times are ridiculously high. It's a game of who sees who first wins, resulting in very campy, slow paced game play.

Play some proper FPS arena shooters like Quake live (free to play browser) and lets see how well you do there. Then you'll realise the meaning of true skill and balance.
Where's your evidence that 85% of the COD fan base is 12-15? I hear people saying this kind of thing a lot, but considering the fact that pretty much everyone I know who plays COD is in their 20s/30s and most of the people who talk on Xbox/PS3 are adult male voices, yes some kids but mostly adults, I don't understand why people say this.

As for "true skill and balance", who is to say that COD doesn't have "true skill and balance" for the community/gamers that play it? Maybe they find Quake too hard/difficult to play to enjoy it, maybe they aren't good enough to play it or don't like that style of FPS, what's the problem? The game is balanced enough for their skill level to enjoy and have a good time, why does this make it "one of the worst online FPS ever"? Because they aren't skilled enough to play something harder, or don't want to?

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Old 09-26-2012, 07:56 PM   #1695 (permalink)
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Where's your evidence that 85% of the COD fan base is 12-15? I hear people saying this kind of thing a lot, but considering the fact that pretty much everyone I know who plays COD is in their 20s/30s and most of the people who talk on Xbox/PS3 are adult male voices, yes some kids but mostly adults, I don't understand why people say this.

As for "true skill and balance", who is to say that COD doesn't have "true skill and balance" for the community/gamers that play it? Maybe they find Quake too hard/difficult to play to enjoy it, maybe they aren't good enough to play it or don't like that style of FPS, what's the problem? The game is balanced enough for their skill level to enjoy and have a good time, why does this make it "one of the worst online FPS ever"? Because they aren't skilled enough to play something harder, or don't want to?

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The game isn't balanced, it's a mess. The guns, kill streaks, maps, from an objective stand point they are all poor and randomised game mechanics. It caters to casual gamers, hence it's popularity.

If it was skilled and balanced then cod would should be a major e-sports title but it isn't. No one plays the game competitively because from a skill full perspective it's trash.

My problem with this is that now every single developer out there wants to create a cod clone and it has completely ruined the market. Some of us gamers like a challenge online. We like our fps games fair, balanced and rewarding, cod is neither.

I just despise the fact that every online fps released nowadays is some pathetic call of duty clone, developers just looking to make a quick buck instead of designing some thing original and innovative.
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I agree fully Grapple, although Valve is something of a white knight in the major FPS scene, and doesn't deserve to be tarnished by the same brush as all the mindless CoD clones. The CS/TF developers actually listens to the competitive community, hence the drastic changes CS:GO has had for the better since the beta.
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The game isn't balanced, it's a mess. The guns, kill streaks, maps, from an objective stand point they are all poor and randomised game mechanics. It caters to casual gamers, hence it's popularity.

If it was skilled and balanced then cod would should be a major e-sports title but it isn't. No one plays the game competitively because from a skill full perspective it's trash.

My problem with this is that now every single developer out there wants to create a cod clone and it has completely ruined the market. Some of us gamers like a challenge online. We like our fps games fair, balanced and rewarding, cod is neither.

I just despise the fact that every online fps released nowadays is some pathetic call of duty clone, developers just looking to make a quick buck instead of designing some thing original and innovative.
So, what you are saying is that people who don't have (or don't even care about) the skill required to play Quake are the ones playing COD, and that from a purely competitive/skill based perspective of gamers who have a lot of gaming skill, the game isn't designed well for them? I never disagreed.

However, for the millions of people who couldn't care less about Quake and its elitist players, it's perfectly balanced, thus fun and enjoyable. For players who are trying to just have fun, there's nothing wrong with the game in general, obviously. So there's some big kill streak rewards that everybody can earn, so what? So there's some helicopter action that everybody can get, so what? It's all about fun in regards to any game, or it should be.

If you are arguing that there are too many COD clones, I'd agree. I would love to see more innovation in the genre, but that doesn't mean I'd love to see more Quake games, hardly, I find Quake to be boring at best, but I'd love to see more Portal/Half-Life style FPS games that innovate/make things interesting.
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So you do not agree that higher skill ceiling = better game, M.C?
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So, what you are saying is that people who don't have (or don't even care about) the skill required to play Quake are the ones playing COD, and that from a purely competitive/skill based perspective of gamers who have a lot of gaming skill, the game isn't designed well for them? I never disagreed.

However, for the millions of people who couldn't care less about Quake and its elitist players, it's perfectly balanced, thus fun and enjoyable. For players who are trying to just have fun, there's nothing wrong with the game in general, obviously. So there's some big kill streak rewards that everybody can earn, so what? So there's some helicopter action that everybody can get, so what? It's all about fun in regards to any game, or it should be.

If you are arguing that there are too many COD clones, I'd agree. I would love to see more innovation in the genre, but that doesn't mean I'd love to see more Quake games, hardly, I find Quake to be boring at best, but I'd love to see more Portal/Half-Life style FPS games that innovate/make things interesting.
You're clearly just not a competitive online FPS player, so you're not going to get it.

Every online FPS game is competitive by nature. Every single game you go into, your goal is to beat the other team or beat the other player. No one goes into a game wanting to lose, every one wants to win, that's the natural competitive nature of an online FPS game.

My gripes with call of duty are that there are so many randomised game mechanics in the meta game that is significantly reduces the amount of fun you can get out of the competitive aspect.

Think of it as like an actual sport. Let's take MMA, a highly competitive sport. You can just train MMA for fun or you can look to make a career out of it, like online gaming. All of the organisations promoting MMA don't include random, silly things into their rule set (ala call of duty). There aren't tag team matches or 2vs1 matches, that would completely ruin the competitive nature and legitimacy of the sport. The more random elements you throw into the sport, the less competitive it becomes.

That's the case with cod. You have all of these wild and uneccesarry mechanics such as kill streaks and automated helicopters, remote control bombs....all of those things are hurting the competitive nature of the game, and like I said, every online FPS game by nature, is competitive, everyone plays to win.

The call of duty franchise isn't popular because it's a great game, it's simply a product of genius marketing, that's all. Marketing and funding is every thing. And that's why I get annoyed, because I know that if Quake got the right marketing, sponsoring and funding behind the game, it could quite easily be just as huge as call of duty is now.
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So you do not agree that higher skill ceiling = better game, M.C?
The only thing that matters in a game is how fun the game is to you personally.

There are multiple FPS games in the world, you have "hardcore" FPS games like Unreal Tournament/CS/Quake for that crowd, you have lesser skilled FPS games like BF3/COD for the casual/average gamer crowd.

Saying that COD is "one of the worst online games ever made" and that it "must be 85% children playing" is stupidly ridiculous. So you guys play "hardcore" FPS games, good for you guys, there are games out there specifically designed for you, have a blast playing them. Why would you even want to go around calling another game, suited for a completely different type of player/skill level, "horrible"? I mean honestly it doesn't matter, it's just an opinion, but sometimes it feels like people forget that you're discussing video games here, not politics, who cares what games other people like, cause trust me, nobody cares about what games you like or what your "skill level" is - it's all about just having fun.

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You're clearly just not a competitive online FPS player, so you're not going to get it.

Every online FPS game is competitive by nature. Every single game you go into, your goal is to beat the other team or beat the other player. No one goes into a game wanting to lose, every one wants to win, that's the natural competitive nature of an online FPS game.

My gripes with call of duty are that there are so many randomised game mechanics in the meta game that is significantly reduces the amount of fun you can get out of the competitive aspect.

Think of it as like an actual sport. Let's take MMA, a highly competitive sport. You can just train MMA for fun or you can look to make a career out of it, like online gaming. All of the organisations promoting MMA don't include random, silly things into their rule set (ala call of duty). There aren't tag team matches or 2vs1 matches, that would completely ruin the competitive nature and legitimacy of the sport. The more random elements you throw into the sport, the less competitive it becomes.

That's the case with cod. You have all of these wild and uneccesarry mechanics such as kill streaks and automated helicopters, remote control bombs....all of those things are hurting the competitive nature of the game, and like I said, every online FPS game by nature, is competitive, everyone plays to win.

The call of duty franchise isn't popular because it's a great game, it's simply a product of genius marketing, that's all. Marketing and funding is every thing. And that's why I get annoyed, because I know that if Quake got the right marketing, sponsoring and funding behind the game, it could quite easily be just as huge as call of duty is now.
The fact that you even consider comparing a video game to a sport makes this discussion silly and nonsensical. It's a video game, dude. They are here for fun and enjoyment, if that means you need to feel like you're competing at a high level, then by all means feel that way, but realize that you're a minority of gamers and that most people really don't care about the elitist PC FPS players playing Quake - gamers just want to enjoy a hobby (most of them).
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