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Old 06-23-2013, 06:23 AM   #3181 (permalink)
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I know you didn't say they weren't.

All the games I mentioned showed full gameplay and all looked as good as any high end PC game you can find, if not better. Really good stuff.

What's wrong with being excited over graphics? Graphics in movies/animation/video games are always exciting when you see the "next generation" of them. I don't understand the "hate" that graphics get in games (not saying you are hating). There are some phenomenal looking games that have fantastic gameplay in them, and there are some awful looking games that have horrible gameplay. Graphics don't mean bad gameplay, just bad games vs. good games.

You are right that gameplay > Graphics, as I said a few pages back I quit The Last of Us cause of the bad gameplay, but the graphics were pretty great for such old hardware. If a game doesn't play well then it's not a good game, regardless of how it looks, but if it looks gorgeous then that's a huge bonus.
You keep insinuating i said things and then acting like you didnt insinuate it.


I never said there is something wrong with being excited about graphics. And all the games you are talking about iv also seen and i wasnt impressed nor excited over the graphics.

Its fine if you were... it really isnt a big deal to me. Im not sure what you are getting so defensive about tbh.
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Old 06-23-2013, 08:36 AM   #3182 (permalink)
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What are we comparing the graphics to? Have we seen a next gen game on PC yet? If not, it wouldn't be surprising that a next gen game with an updated (or new) engine on console would look better than a PC game that is outdated now.
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Old 06-23-2013, 08:46 AM   #3183 (permalink)
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What are we comparing the graphics to? Have we seen a next gen game on PC yet? If not, it wouldn't be surprising that a next gen game with an updated (or new) engine on console would look better than a PC game that is outdated now.
Does Watch Dogs count? I'm not really sure if there's a video of the PC version.
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Old 06-23-2013, 08:49 AM   #3184 (permalink)
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Does Watch Dogs count?
It would I think. I am saying I haven't seen any footage of the games on PC instead of what they look like on console. Meaning, I don't want to see the game on normal settings. I want to see what it looks like when a person shows it off on full ultra settings with a computer that can do it with good frames and everything.

The lighting, shadows, sunshafts and liquid detail has always been better on PC imo. Mostly because developers can take advantage of very high end graphics cards and the consumer can take advantage of the option to make it like that.

But like I said, I just haven't seen the videos. I am not trying to say they arent out there. I just havent seen them so I wasn't sure how much there was to draw a reasonable comparison from.
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Old 06-23-2013, 08:55 AM   #3185 (permalink)
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It would I think. I am saying I haven't seen any footage of the games on PC instead of what they look like on console. Meaning, I don't want to see the game on normal settings. I want to see what it looks like when a person shows it off on full ultra settings with a computer that can do it with good frames and everything.

The lighting, shadows, sunshafts and liquid detail has always been better on PC imo. Mostly because developers can take advantage of very high end graphics cards and the consumer can take advantage of the option to make it like that.

But like I said, I just haven't seen the videos. I am not trying to say they arent out there. I just havent seen them so I wasn't sure how much there was to draw a reasonable comparison from.
I haven't seen any videos either. I don't think it would be a good standard though because it doesn't look very next-gen-y to me. Battlefield 4 would probably be a good benchmark.
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Old 06-23-2013, 09:30 AM   #3186 (permalink)
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What are we comparing the graphics to? Have we seen a next gen game on PC yet? If not, it wouldn't be surprising that a next gen game with an updated (or new) engine on console would look better than a PC game that is outdated now.
Well the next gen systems are basically computers in console form. But good gaming computers have much better specs then the next gen consoles. So while there will be games that have better graphics on the console then the PC. The potential is much higher on the PC. For instance my Crysis 3 copy on full settings looked alot better then the PS3 version of Crysis 3 did.

Final Fantasy 14 online beta looks alot better on my PC then when i play it on my PS3. So while that isnt the next gen system you are talking about it will likely be the same scenario in a few years.
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Old 06-23-2013, 09:44 AM   #3187 (permalink)
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Well the next gen systems are basically computers in console form. But good gaming computers have much better specs then the next gen consoles. So while there will be games that have better graphics on the console then the PC. The potential is much higher on the PC. For instance my Crysis 3 copy on full settings looked alot better then the PS3 version of Crysis 3 did.

Final Fantasy 14 online beta looks alot better on my PC then when i play it on my PS3. So while that isnt the next gen system you are talking about it will likely be the same scenario in a few years.
Thats what I am thinking.

Consoles were always a computer in a console form. The ability to upgrade PC's is just what always separated the two in terms of performance.
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Old 06-23-2013, 03:29 PM   #3188 (permalink)
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You keep insinuating i said things and then acting like you didnt insinuate it.


I never said there is something wrong with being excited about graphics. And all the games you are talking about iv also seen and i wasnt impressed nor excited over the graphics.

Its fine if you were... it really isnt a big deal to me. Im not sure what you are getting so defensive about tbh.
You asked me this - Really the graphics gave you a nerd boner??? Graphics was by far the thing i cared about the least.

You asked me why graphics gave me a "nerd boner", and then made a statement saying that they are the least thing you cared about. To answer your question I said what is wrong with caring about good graphics and then explained it. I never insinuated anything.

If you meant something different by your question then try to explain it better, the way you typed it makes it look like you are asking why I got excited for the next gen graphics, to which I said "what is wrong with getting excited over them?".

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What are we comparing the graphics to? Have we seen a next gen game on PC yet? If not, it wouldn't be surprising that a next gen game with an updated (or new) engine on console would look better than a PC game that is outdated now.
PC games will always look better than consoles with diminishing returns, as tech can only go so far. Right now a few next gen games shown off at E3 looked better than any game I've ever seen on a PC by today's standard. That will change eventually with PC having better all around hardware as years go on where consoles stay the same.

I was just pointing out that the jump from PS3 to PS4 is actually pretty nice, it's better than any high end PC game out there right now so the jump is pretty good and exciting and the graphics are nice enough for console only gamers to be perfectly happy with the leap.

edit - FF13 is going well. A few frustrating fights though. Like those red bombs, you can't stun them fast enough to kill them before they explode, it's annoying. But generally I like the story so far and the gameplay is fun.
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Pc games will always be behind console games, Final Fantasy games and MGS series games always had better graphics then any PC game.And when PC games catch up to PS4 graphics they will just come out with a new console.
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