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post #3571 of 9711 (permalink) Old 08-18-2013, 12:32 PM
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Call of Duty, Halo and all those other FPS simply require shooting at another player. Whoever gets the first shot in, wins. Yes, hand eye coordination comes into play, but then you can say the same about almost every game out there.

They are basic, these days generic and uninspired. Nothing complex or creative about them and I do not understand why they are so popular across all ages. Actually, I do - IT'S BECAUSE EVERYBODY ELSE IS SHEEP AND FOLLOW WHAT IS POPULAR.

Last Of Us requires you to approach scenarios in a number of different ways, ESPECIALLY if you play on the Hard or Survivor settings, the latter of which does not allow Listen mode. Play the game on Survivor mode and then come and tell me Last Of Us does not take more skill to complete than a generic first person shooter

Also, have you even played Last Of Us online??? Completely refreshing. It requires TEAMWORK, STEALTH and a really good strategy. You can not run and gun like in a FPS otherwise you'll pay for it. Last Of Us online had me scratching my brain several times, and for that I raise my cup to it.
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It isn't as simple as I saw you first. Maybe when you queue randomly on xbox live sure. But there is a reason that a pro team will wipe the floor with a team of random people. I don't think you understand how organized they play the games.

And speaking of not run and gunning. Ever play Battlefield 3? Yeah... That game requires more skill than everything in the Last of Us be a very large margin.

I have played Survivor mode. It takes a lot of patience but thats about it. If you have any sort of minor problem solving ability, you can beat the Last of Us. Those type of games are much more about telling a story and keeping you immersed than actually making it difficult.

If you don't believe it I don't really care I suppose. But competitive gaming at high levels has always and will always require more skill than games like the Last of Us.

You think it is button mashing and luck. That just means that you don't actually know what goes into getting good at the game. Like I said, if you button mash to victory, you are playing against flat out terrible people.


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Waiting on the PS4, but Skyrim owned my free time when it came out. Best game I ever played.
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It isn't as simple as I saw you first. Maybe when you queue randomly on xbox live sure. But there is a reason that a pro team will wipe the floor with a team of random people. I don't think you understand how organized they play the games.

And speaking of not run and gunning. Ever play Battlefield 3? Yeah... That game requires more skill than everything in the Last of Us be a very large margin.

I have played Survivor mode. It takes a lot of patience but thats about it. If you have any sort of minor problem solving ability, you can beat the Last of Us. Those type of games are much more about telling a story and keeping you immersed than actually making it difficult.

If you don't believe it I don't really care I suppose. But competitive gaming at high levels has always and will always require more skill than games like the Last of Us.

You think it is button mashing and luck. That just means that you don't actually know what goes into getting good at the game. Like I said, if you button mash to victory, you are playing against flat out terrible people.
Pretty much this. I had a group of friends that made an entire team in CoD and we destroyed everyone, because we used actual tactics and strategy and shredded people and we are not pro gamers, but it was quite often that each person on the other team had more deaths then all of us combined. We had specialists and strategies for every game mode and that was just from playing with one another. Story based single player games are great but at least at this point no A.I in gaming can out do playing an actual human that understands and learns patterns and can actually adapt to them.

My point being, all the most difficult a.i battles you eventually can figure it out and beat them, but then make it difficult not by actually adapting or changing they just give the a.i absurd advantages and if you were to give a human player that kind of advantage over other human players the game would never even become competitive.

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It isn't as simple as I saw you first. Maybe when you queue randomly on xbox live sure. But there is a reason that a pro team will wipe the floor with a team of random people. I don't think you understand how organized they play the games.

And speaking of not run and gunning. Ever play Battlefield 3? Yeah... That game requires more skill than everything in the Last of Us be a very large margin.

I have played Survivor mode. It takes a lot of patience but thats about it. If you have any sort of minor problem solving ability, you can beat the Last of Us. Those type of games are much more about telling a story and keeping you immersed than actually making it difficult.

If you don't believe it I don't really care I suppose. But competitive gaming at high levels has always and will always require more skill than games like the Last of Us.

You think it is button mashing and luck. That just means that you don't actually know what goes into getting good at the game. Like I said, if you button mash to victory, you are playing against flat out terrible people.
Maybe there are ways around making it APPEAR more interesting and tactic based, but these games do not have my interest and never will to be frank with you my friend. I have not played Battlefield but I have heard of it, it appears to be another first person shooter, but maybe it's an exception to the rule, I do not know.

I have a friend who is left handed like me and extremely intelligent at video games. He is what they call a 'hardcore gamer' and he found Last Of Us very difficult on Hard Mode, so I do not know where you get this idea that other games require more skill, it is very confusing to me

ESPECIALLY online, have you played it online? How can you say it does not take strategy and skill when it clearly does? You should play me online and then see what happens.

The weapon crafting system in that online mode makes things very interesting as opposed to picking up a grenade launcher or something.
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Maybe there are ways around making it APPEAR more interesting and tactic based, but these games do not have my interest and never will to be frank with you my friend. I have not played Battlefield but I have heard of it, it appears to be another first person shooter, but maybe it's an exception to the rule, I do not know.

I have a friend who is left handed like me and extremely intelligent at video games. He is what they call a 'hardcore gamer' and he found Last Of Us very difficult on Hard Mode, so I do not know where you get this idea that other games require more skill, it is very confusing to me

ESPECIALLY online, have you played it online? How can you say it does not take strategy and skill when it clearly does? You should play me online and then see what happens.

The weapon crafting system in that online mode makes things very interesting as opposed to picking up a grenade launcher or something.
Anyone can go shoot a ball in a net and say "look at this, I can get the ball in the net just like those pro basketball players on TV, what's the big deal?". I can go outside and play some football with a few friends, make some touchdowns, does that mean I'm ready to go join the NFL? There is a group of players on FPS games/fighting games/strategy games/etc, that are above the natural "skill" level of everyday gamers that play those genres for fun. These guys go 60-0 on a regular CoD match where as everyone else goes 15-6.

The only thing I find funny is when people who play games call themselves athletes. If you play games in a competitive setting, you're not an athlete, you're a person participating in an activity who happens to be playing against other people. Chess players aren't athletes, people who play magic the gathering in a tournament setting aren't athletes, having a joystick in your lap as you sit on your ass playing Ryu against some other guy with some people around you watching doesn't make you an athlete, you're just some dude playing a video game in a tournament setting, it's an activity.

As for what I'm playing... well, I'm actually just waiting for SR4 and Splinter Cell to come out.
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They aren't athletes. But they do practice just as much as a pro athlete to play their games professionally. I remember hearing from multiple Sc2 players on separate occasions that they practice 8-12 hours every single day to maintain their level of skill. I have also seen pro players practicing on stream for hours and hours on end. It is insane how much they have to dedicate to actually play at that level.

I am not commenting on the action/adventure vs. competitive gaming skill levels anymore. I feel like I am being trolled. It is the only logical conclusion.


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They aren't athletes. But they do practice just as much as a pro athlete to play their games professionally. I remember hearing from multiple Sc2 players on separate occasions that they practice 8-12 hours every single day to maintain their level of skill. I have also seen pro players practicing on stream for hours and hours on end. It is insane how much they have to dedicate to actually play at that level.

I am not commenting on the action/adventure vs. competitive gaming skill levels anymore. I feel like I am being trolled. It is the only logical conclusion.
It takes time to learn all the ins and outs of the game for sure. There are a lot of people that claim they are video game athletes though and that is what I find funny. Some of these people think sitting on their ass all day pushing buttons on a gamepad or keyboard makes them athletes because they are competing against other people.

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Just trying to drive my point home (you agreed, it just bugs me so I had to continue lol).
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It takes time to learn all the ins and outs of the game for sure. There are a lot of people that claim they are video game athletes though and that is what I find funny. Some of these people think sitting on their ass all day pushing buttons on a gamepad or keyboard makes them athletes because they are competing against other people.

These two guys are not athletes:



Just trying to drive my point home (you agreed, it just bugs me so I had to continue lol).
I don't know the Asian guy in the black shirt (or dark blue) looks like he is working hard on his figure. Granted that figure is round but at least he is still working on it.

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I never have heard a gamer call themselves an athlete seeing how a gamer alone is anything but that


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