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Old 10-10-2013, 05:12 PM   #3861 (permalink)
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Joke argument? Your friend must not know how to properly build a PC. The PC I built 3 years ago can run every console game on max settings and most PC games on max settings. If your friends PC was lagging, then my guess is his PC is built full of bottlenecks or is just an old PC.

What's the point of these new consoles, tell me? Why can't we just stay with the PS3/360? Tell me where the "next gen" comes into play here? It certainly isn't in the graphics or limitation expansion, they already are hitting the same limitations the PS3/360 has. It certainly isn't for new innovative gameplay, all the games shown off look exactly the same as they do now, they could all be made on a PS3 or 360. So, my overall question is this - what's the purpose of these new consoles other than Sony/MS strong arming consumers into buying new hardware for the sake of buying new hardware?

I'm not against consoles, I have a PS3/360/Wii and a Wii U, what I'm against is useless upgrades that don't actually matter, but are forced down our throat if we want to continue playing the 10% of games that don't reach PC eventually.



The only games running 1080p at 60fps are indie games and not all of them. Next gen will be able to do 1080 at 30fps, which is what games can run at right now on current consoles (upscaled to 1080p/30fps). Major titles on next gen consoles right now are struggling to hit 900p, much less 1080p (we're talking 60fps here, even ps3 can hit 1080p/30fps). Ryse is 900p, BF4 is 900p, Killer Instinct is 720p. Something like Killzone Shadowfall is 1080p/30fps, but again that's already being done on the PS3.

The hardware on the new consoles are also designed around PC architecture, to make it very easy for developers to make games on it right out of the box. They are basically designing a game for a PC so they know exactly the limitations/techniques and how to utilize the hardware, and they struggle to hit 1080p/60fps on them. There won't be this big "well give it a few years so they learn the hardware" thing that most consoles have had, it's PC architecture, they know exactly how to utilize the hardware right now (even Sony stated this in their press conference).

The problem is that these are "next gen" consoles. It's the year 2013, we've had 1080p/60fps for years, yet the majority of games releasing for "next gen" are not 1080p/60fps, and in fact some are even still at 720p. There will be a slight bump in performance, they will get native 1080p/30fps on most exclusive games that put a lot of work into them eventually, and some games probably 1080p/60fps, but the issue here is that in 2013 when you release a new set of consoles, and you can't bust out 1080p/60fps every time, then you got some problems there, especailly when current gen consoles can already do 1080p/30fps upscaled, the increase in performance is there it's just so small that it makes you sick paying $500 for it when you can buy some new PC hardware and outperform it on every single level for the same price or less.

edit - I should take this over to the console thread, this really isn't what this thread is about, just a rant from me really.
It maybe based on PC architecture but remember, games a rarely optimised to take advantage of the PC hardware. It's like console ports... they are usually just shifted over to the PC and the hardware handles the rest. I expect the next gen of consoles will progress graphically, but they will hit the 'ceiling' much soon than the current gen; maybe in just 2 or 3 years.

But the biggest threat to consoles come not from the PC but from smartphones. The current top end phones are already almost as powerful as the PS3 and 360. The next generation of smartphones will be powerful than them. So basically, this time next year smartphones will outperform the current gen... how long before the outperform the next gen?

This isn't me making shit up either, its words from the mouth of Nvidia.

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I've heard a lot of talk about the demise of the PC over the past couple of years, but its all nonsense. The cutting edge technology is always at PC level and its get filtered down to consoles, smartphones, TV's or whatever. But I fear for the consoles future, it makes me wonder if we'll even see a XBOX Two or a PS5.
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Old 10-10-2013, 05:19 PM   #3862 (permalink)
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You are correct, smartphones are also major competition in the coming years. In the future you can expect consoles to be replaced by phones/tablets, honestly this will be the last generation of consoles. They say these consoles are "10 year consoles", in half that time the tech in tablets/smartphones will destroy the consoles.
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Old 10-10-2013, 05:33 PM   #3863 (permalink)
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You are correct, smartphones are also major competition in the coming years. In the future you can expect consoles to be replaced by phones/tablets, honestly this will be the last generation of consoles. They say these consoles are "10 year consoles", in half that time the tech in tablets/smartphones will destroy the consoles.
Yep, in the not so far future we'll be plugging our phones into a dock that connects to the PC or the TV and use wireless controllers to play next gen quality games. Software houses will take advantage of this by modifying games so they can be played on the go and on the big screen.
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Indeed you are right. Even right now there are games on the tablet that look near high end PS3 quality. Give it 5 years and the newest tablet will out perform the PS4. Every single year the tech in phones/tablets jumps drastically, where as the jump from PS3 to PS4 as already explained is not all that good, and since these are "10 year consoles", by the time they are dead, tablets will have 5 years of stronger tech over them.

The gaming world is going to be very interesting in the coming years, that's for sure.
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Well at least when they replace consoles with smart phones and tablet games etc. I can I was part of the great era when we had great consoles instead of dogshit like that.
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Well at least when they replace consoles with smart phones and tablet games etc. I can I was part of the great era when we had great consoles instead of dogshit like that.
It will be the same as consoles are now, just instead of buying a PS5 you'll be buying the new tablet/smartphone. You'll plug your tablet or smartphone into a dock near your tv that's plugged into the tv, and it'll stream the game from your tablet/phone to the tv. You'll be playing the game with a wireless controller that syncs to the tablet/phone. They already have controllers you plug your phone/tablet into to avoid the touch control nonsense.

Basically put, in the future you won't be fighting over which console to play (Nintendo/PS/MS), everyone will be using a tablet or phone to stream their games to the TV (this is already being done for netflix and even games right now) and use a wireless controller just as you do now to play games. All the major developers who make games like Uncharted/Elder Scrolls/GTA/what have you will be making their AAA games for those devices and "consoles" will be dead.
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Old 10-10-2013, 07:08 PM   #3867 (permalink)
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It will be the same as consoles are now, just instead of buying a PS5 you'll be buying the new tablet/smartphone. You'll plug your tablet or smartphone into a dock near your tv that's plugged into the tv, and it'll stream the game from your tablet/phone to the tv. You'll be playing the game with a wireless controller that syncs to the tablet/phone. They already have controllers you plug your phone/tablet into to avoid the touch control nonsense.

Basically put, in the future you won't be fighting over which console to play (Nintendo/PS/MS), everyone will be using a tablet or phone to stream their games to the TV (this is already being done for netflix and even games right now) and use a wireless controller just as you do now to play games.
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It will always be a console in 20 years or 5 and there will always be competition.
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It will be the same as consoles are now, just instead of buying a PS5 you'll be buying the new tablet/smartphone. You'll plug your tablet or smartphone into a dock near your tv that's plugged into the tv, and it'll stream the game from your tablet/phone to the tv. You'll be playing the game with a wireless controller that syncs to the tablet/phone. They already have controllers you plug your phone/tablet into to avoid the touch control nonsense.

Basically put, in the future you won't be fighting over which console to play (Nintendo/PS/MS), everyone will be using a tablet or phone to stream their games to the TV (this is already being done for netflix and even games right now) and use a wireless controller just as you do now to play games. All the major developers who make games like Uncharted/Elder Scrolls/GTA/what have you will be making their AAA games for those devices and "consoles" will be dead.
Eh still sounds crappy and unnecessary, i've always liked the blocky consoles starting from the atari 2600 to the ps3, I also miss games coming in cartridges and having box art and cases.
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Eh still sounds crappy and unnecessary, i've always liked the blocky consoles starting from the atari 2600 to the ps3, I also miss games coming in cartridges and having box art and cases.
Don''t worry consoles aren't going anywhere, in fact there's a bigger chance of Sony making a console that can get any OS system on it so there won't be any need for a PC since you have an entertainment system that does everything a pc does for cheaper price.
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Well that's good but I think i'm probably only gonna buy nintendo consoles from here on out since other consoles have just come out with cookie cutters game since the ps2 days. Also I beat wind waker HD the other pretty good game the final boss was fun but sailing took forever.
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