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post #4231 of 9530 (permalink) Old 01-03-2014, 04:46 PM
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BF 1942 which came out over 10 years ago is a team based shooter where the main mode is conquest, where you capture control points to reduce the enemy team's reinforcements. It has open world style maps with vehicles. BF4 came out a month ago, is a team based shooter where the main mode is conquest, where you capture control points to reduce enemy reinforcements. It has open world style maps with vehicles.

What exactly is funny? That BF4 is exactly the same game that came out over 10 years ago yet people still bought it (including myself)? That actually is pretty amusing, in a sad way.

The game isn't bad, for what it is it's good, it's just very old and nothing more than a rehashed 1942 from 10+ years ago, the same thing CoD is, these games are just the same game released over and over again. Neither game is superior to the other, one game is an arena shooter, one game is more open and team based - both games series are old as dirt and play like they did many years ago, thus bore me quickly. It is what it is.
You basically just described the competitive FPS genre in general whilst adding the factors that distinguish the BF series apart from many others. Which is funny when you try to say it's basically th exact same game, a rehash, 10 years removed. So would you say Madden 25 is just a rehashed version of Madden NFL '94? They play gridiron football in stadiums where the surface is green. Just another exact rehash right?

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We all get it man. You don't like FPS and hate CoD and BF and believe they are overrated. You were right on cue because you say it everytime someone mentions them.

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I don't "hate" either game and I actually like FPS games when they bring new ideas/mechanics, in fact as I said I bought BF4. What I said was CoD/BF both get boring quickly and that BF4 isn't really an upgrade from CoD. Both are terribly old and rehashed series (thus neither bring anything new/exciting, it's not like BF4 is a new experience but Ghosts isn't, both are old dinosaur games sealed in new game boxes) that are made for two different types of people - one is an arena shooter, one is a team based shooter.

I wish they would innovate with both series, I'd like to see another type of BF 2142 game with new game modes, vehicles, game style, guns, controls, etc. I'd like to see the gameplay loosened up a lot with more melee modes added. BF 2142 had mechs, I'd like to see upgraded mech type vehicles that deal mostly in melee, think Hawken (but with melee). I'd love to see the next BF game actually innovate and bring new mechanics, and with the new power of consoles I hope they will, but they haven't at all all these years, so I don't think they will.

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You basically just described the competitive FPS genre in general whilst adding the factors that distinguish the BF series apart from many others. Which is funny when you try to say it's basically th exact same game, a rehash, 10 years removed. So would you say Madden 25 is just a rehashed version of Madden NFL '94? They play gridiron football in stadiums where the surface is green. Just another exact rehash right?
I'm saying that BF1942 plays nearly identical to BF4. It has the same core mechanics, it has the same style of gameplay, it has the same theme (military), although the WW2 setting was far more interesting at the time. I'm saying that when you play BF1942, you run around killing guys while capturing control points and dodging (or using) vehicles, which is exactly the same thing you do in BF4. BF4 is BF1942 with upgraded graphics. Charging $60 for BF 1942 with better graphics annoys me considering they remake games in HD these days for half the price, like the Kingdom Hearts HD remakes.

I bought BF4 because there was nothing else to get on my PS4 after Knack, I enjoyed it for a few days, I'm not saying the game sucks. However, after 2-3 days my interest died completely because I've been playing this same game for 10+ years. How could it not get boring?

I don't play sports games so I can't comment on weather madden has changed enough through the years to be called rehashed, I can only say that BF/CoD most certainly is the same game rehashed since 10+ years ago. I played the first CoD and the first BF on their release dates, I've played the middle games of the series, and I've played both Ghosts and BF4, the newest entries. They are all the same games remade with new graphics (sometimes), and therefore both series are boring to me now and after a few days my interest dies in playing the new versions of them.

If you like them, cool.
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CoD does have it's qualities. But for the most part they wore off on me a few months into MW2. I liked CoD4, played it with budz for about 5 months before WaW came out, loved that game, the best in the series for me by far with the fun I had playing MP and Zombies. MW2 just became less fun by the day though, the format itself had begun to go stale (something Activision and their developers to this day have done a poor job mitigating imo), the exploits and hackers were getting out of control, and the focus on non player controlled AI enemies took away from the better parts of CoD in general, being the shooting matches with other players. It became a headache and not often fun enough. Black Ops suffered from the same things, I didn't last super long on that, MW3 was out of the question all together. I was convinced by some friends to buy Black Ops II, overall I regretted it. I think the next CoD should be co-cp zombies, it's the only aspect of the series I occasionally enjoy playing these days.

The thing with 2014 and CoD is CoD Ghosts is a last gen game. A game like BF4, even BF3, BC2.. are games the last gen couldn't handle, they had to be restricted and downsized considerably just to be playable on the last gen. The difference from BF4 on the 360 to Xbone is very significant. There is an occasional glitch, though I haven't experienced one in a few weeks, but it's a game processing a far more complex and dynamic experience for a gamer then a strict gun to gun arena shooter, the envelope is being pushed. My enjoyment of that experience is why I feel graduated onto bigger and better things. BF games and BF type games engage me far beyond what a game like CoD is able to do anymore. I can't run out of ways to play Battlefield, each match, really many multiple of times per match I change my focus, what I do, how I do it, where, etc.,. It has that to offer me which many games in the genre do not and about 90% of those methods I've used are fun and entertaining to me.
I love CoD personally, not as much as I used to though. Back in MW2 and Black ops I had pro status in the comp scene, and went to LAN events with my teams. When MW3 came out I strongly disliked the game as it catered towards the public scene, and I had other things going on that I could no longer grind the game. I just started playing again with Black ops 2, though did not go to any LAN events just played 2k series, and GBs. I enjoy Ghosts, but I'm kind of fed up with IW as they make the game solely for the public scene, Treyarch caters to both comp and pub.

I loved Bf3 for the most apart aside from the glaring glitches that were never fixed. I tried BF4 some but it didn't feel right with me so its been sitting on my shelf for awhile, I figure ill pick it back up when I switch to Xboxone here soon



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BF is an enormous upgrade to CoD. Everything from hitbox, bulletdrop, classes, vehicles, destructible environment. CoD is literally a run and gun game like Halo and so many others.

If you don't like FPS then you don't like FPS, but CoD is insanely inferior when you are talking about gameplay.

But that's my bit. To each their own. Not going to dive into this as it normally turns into a fullscale war.


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BF is an enormous upgrade to CoD. Everything from hitbox, bulletdrop, classes, vehicles, destructible environment. CoD is literally a run and gun game like Halo and so many others.

If you don't like FPS then you don't like FPS, but CoD is insanely inferior when you are talking about gameplay.

But that's my bit. To each their own. Not going to dive into this as it normally turns into a fullscale war.
It's arena shooter vs. non-arena.

BF4 isn't really an upgrade to CoD or Halo or anything, it's just a different type of online shooter. Like how Forza is a racing sim and Need for Speed is an arcade racer, both have cars/involve racing, but they are two different types of racers with different types of people in mind.

As for what I've been playing, honestly nothing. I got 100% on Knack like a week or two ago or longer and haven't touched any games since. There's really nothing that peaks my interest until Titanfall/Infamous comes out in March. Reading has filled that role thankfully.
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CoD and BF both provide a different experience so I don't like to compare the two. CoD is all about keeping a fast pace. The maps are compact, the spawns are close and killstreaks keep the action going. You can hop in and out of games without needing a solid team with you. It's more about just having a quick, fun game with little to no thought behind it.

BF is the exact opposite. The maps are gigantic, the games are long and most require some objective be completed. It encourages teamwork and strategizing with each other. You can't really run around and solo everything like in CoD.

Just different strokes for different folks. I personally like them both but I'd never buy BF4 if I didn't have friends to play with. It's not a fun game to play by yourself, in my opinion.

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For me CoD has always been a single player game. I loved the first CoD, I think it's the best World War 2 shooter ever made. None of the the sequels even come close in my opinion. Never got into the multiplayer of the game, Battlefield has always been more interesting in that department for me.

BF is as close to a perfect multiplayer shooter as can get IMO. And while BF3 and BF4 are not as much fun to me as 1942, Vietnam and Bad Company 2 I still think it's the best "realistic" multiplayer FPS series out there. CoD (the last one I played was Black Ops) feels more like Unreal Tournament, which is fine, just much more arcade-y than BF.




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The scariest thing for me is that the CoD series is so successful. I worry we will see developers less and less willing to step outside the box and create a unique and innovative experience when the big bucks are found by making short games you can release once a year.

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Not saying it is a bad game overall. I just think the sales strategy has set an extremely low standard for how much content justifies a game. I will get into that more.

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Not much of an upgrade. BF is the same game it's been for years just like CoD, both are really old at this point and just rehashes of the same game over and over. I had fun with BF4 for about 3-4 days then my interest died completely. Although to be fair I played this exact same game back in 2002 with BF 1942, only that game had fun maps with an interesting WW2 setting (at the time). Very little has changed in 10+ years.

The best FPS I've played in many years is the new Shadow Warrior.
This is my problem. FPS games should not be following the same model as sports games. There is not enough single player content in CoD: ghosts. It is basically a yearly update to the multiplayer with a few side missions tossed in.

Has the genre and the series improved over the years? Of course. But why on earth are people lining up in droves to pay $60 for a multiplayer update. It sets the standard very low and tells these companies that the best way to make money is to release games quickly. Look at the sales. Where is the incentive to take a few years and craft something innovative and creative. It's our fault as consumers for buying in to this kind of release model.


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For me CoD has always been a single player game. I loved the first CoD, I think it's the best World War 2 shooter ever made. None of the the sequels even come close in my opinion. Never got into the multiplayer of the game, Battlefield has always been more interesting in that department for me.
I'd be pretty pissed if I were you then. $60 for CoD ghosts single player is a huge rip off (if you bought it).


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