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**MLS** · 02-16-2008, 12:23 PM

See IMO if the fight hits the gorund and Condit is on his back, he is so active looking for subs and striking from the bottom that Diego would look to keep the fight standing. I can't recall anyone (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) that diego has face that is more active on the bottom (going for subs and strikes) as Condit is. Condit just doesn't stop. So I think like you said he would have to control Condit when Condit is on his back.

But if Diego some how ends up on his back, I just don't see it going well for him. Condit is well versed with his strikes by mixing up punches with elbows. But I think the only way Diego wins is by decision. Sorry if it comes off as nuthugging on my part for Condit, but I just see him as having more ways to win than Diego.

**IronMan** · 02-16-2008, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mlsman23

See IMO if the fight hits the gorund and Condit is on his back, he is so active looking for subs and striking from the bottom that Diego would look to keep the fight standing. I can't recall anyone (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) that diego has face that is more active on the bottom (going for subs and strikes) as Condit is. Condit just doesn't stop. So I think like you said he would have to control Condit when Condit is on his back.

But if Diego some how ends up on his back, I just don't see it going well for him. Condit is well versed with his strikes by mixing up punches with elbows. But I think the only way Diego wins is by decision. Sorry if it comes off as nuthugging on my part for Condit, but I just see him as having more ways to win than Diego.

I agree that if Diego ends up on his back, he's basically f*cked. I just don't really see that as a scenario that would reasonably play out.

I will say that I think Nick Diaz is an incredibly active fighter off of his back and while he doesn't strike as much as Condit does, Diaz does come from that classic Cesar Gracie mindset of constant attacks from the bottom and the top.

That said, I don't think that Condit has ever fought anyone as explosive as Diego, standing or on the ground, so I think that we should respect the quality of opponent that Diego has fought. I'm not going to dismiss condit for that reason, but Diego has fought some serious warriors and beaten some of them pretty severely, while Condit hasn't fought the same caliber of guys, in my mind.

That's just a thought. I agree that Condit will make it a fight on the ground, and I mean it when I say it's only a slight edge. We'll see, though. Condit is a long, lanky guy, so I'd be interested to see how Diego deals with his build, as well as with his actual technical skills.

**IcemanCometh** · 02-16-2008, 01:50 PM

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I don't see Diego outstriking Condit. And Condit's ground game is real good, why do you think Diego's is light years ahead?

I am not sure who Condit trains with, however, Sanchez trained for a number of years with Jackson's camp and they have a ground game. Now he trains with University of Jiu-Jitsu in San Diego and it showed in his fight with Fitch he worked the TD's and actually scored a nasty choke in RD 3. I just think two things work in his favor over Condit on the ground, he can it get down eaisly and as he was saw with Prater Carlos goes down easier this is a place where I think Diego will have a strength advantage too. Then once on the ground with top position I think Condit is in for a world of hurt.

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See IMO if the fight hits the gorund and Condit is on his back, he is so active looking for subs and striking from the bottom that Diego would look to keep the fight standing. I can't recall anyone (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) that diego has face that is more active on the bottom (going for subs and strikes) as Condit is. Condit just doesn't stop. So I think like you said he would have to control Condit when Condit is on his back.

I seem to remember Nick Diaz making Diego work for top control and he kept changing levels on Diaz and punching him in the face. So I feel he could control Condit better than one so far.

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But if Diego some how ends up on his back, I just don't see it going well for him. Condit is well versed with his strikes by mixing up punches with elbows. But I think the only way Diego wins is by decision. Sorry if it comes off as nuthugging on my part for Condit, but I just see him as having more ways to win than Diego.

I might have to give you Diego on his back is screwed but then he might train there enough that he could win for find that small mistake and exploit it. Lets not forget a motivated, healthy Diego is dangerous this is a guy that out worked Karo "The Heat" in many ppl's opinion, KOed Riggs with a flying knee and has a helluva a work rate and will be putting pressure on Condit like never before.

**MLS** · 02-16-2008, 02:01 PM

Condit trains with FIT No Holds Barred, a former Greg Jackson affiliate. He has also gone to Chris Lytle Integrated Fighting Academy in Indiana, where he work's on wrestling.

Fitch is hard to choke but Condits JJ is above Fitch's. So I'm not sure that is a great comparision. Condit knows what to do to defend subs, so I don't think he would get subbed by Diego. Like I said, Diego would probably only win by decision.

Condit has strikin and KO power. His striking is actually a little akward so its hard to deal with. In his fight with Prater he showed his leg kicks. He also said that Prater has a great clinch so he would of rather been on the ground than be in his clinch. Thats why it was easy for Prater to get the takedown.

Diego did outwork Karo, but we haven't seen that Diego in his last two fights. He did have staph in his fight with Kos, but with Fitch he was healthy. He said he wasn't "in the right state of mind" and whose to say he will get back to the state of mind he was at in the fight with Karo.

**wukkadb** · 02-16-2008, 02:07 PM

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Based purely on the numbers, there's alot to be said for just giving it to Condit and being done with it. The fact is, he submitted Allessio and Diego didn't (though Diego had much more time on the back than Condit did).

That, though, isn't really the whole story and I don't think it's the right way to look at it.

Honestly, Condit does very well off of his back, but that's where he's going to be most of this fight. I say "but" because of who Sanchez has been able to beat when he gets into top position.

I'd like to say that Condit could pull of a big submission, but I think his only chance of doing that is to get Sanchez's back, and I don't see that happening. As far as this matchup actually ends up going if it hits the ground, I see Sanchez winning on the judges' scorecards.

Really, though, I think how Sanchez does on the ground will depend alot on his ability to focus. If this fight happens, Sanchez is going to have to shake the mental issues that came from his last two losses, even though the one against Fitch was incredibly close.

Either guy could take this, because they are both very dangerous. I give a slight edge to Diego because, though I don't think he can finish, I think he can look good through three rounds while staying on top of Condit and keeping Carlos in front of him. Still, the ground is really a place where anything can happen, and I think that, with the exception of Diaz, Condit will be able to exploit a technical mistake better than anyone Diego has fought.

Diego also trains under the Ribierio brothers now...

NavyChief · 02-19-2008, 07:14 PM

When I go to the dog-track or the horse races I of course pick up the Daily Racing Form. And, as any good amatuer handicapper will tell you...after going over all the stats, records, track shape, etc etc etc, you are often just as successful making your bet after watching them parade the dogs/horses and going on an informed gut "feel" (if of course you know at least a little about the physical makeup of racing dogs and horses).

That said, after handicapping this fight, and reading all your discussion (and good discussion this thread has been)...I just don't see where Diego Sanchez would win this fight. Condit looks to me to be the better fighter if the two were tossed in a cage today. I think/feel he could win it standing, from the bottom, or on top using GnP.

Diego is a great fighter to be sure but he's not God's gift to the Octagon that so many made him to be. I think he should work more and depend on "Zen" less.

**ozz525** · 02-19-2008, 07:47 PM

Condit is real good he would be a top contender at WW in the UFC imo. He would beat Diego by UD imo, Diego is good but I think that Condit can neutralize Diego's GNP.

**Damone** · 02-19-2008, 07:50 PM

Condit would have problems against a solid wrestler, who has excellent sub defense. So, I don't see him becoming a top contender in the UFC, since the WW division is filled with these guys.

haymaker85 · 02-21-2008, 08:04 PM

You people are dumb ass's if you think wec fighters can compete with ufc fighters. The only fighter that could maybe win a few in ufc would be Filho and thats pushing it.

NavyChief · 02-21-2008, 08:12 PM

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You people are dumb ass's if you think wec fighters can compete with ufc fighters. The only fighter that could maybe win a few in ufc would be Filho and thats pushing it.

<Yawn> I shouldn't even address your very thought provoking argument but to name just one recent example...Jens Pulver IS a UFC fighter that, as I recall, did pretty well for himself and now fights in the WEC for NO reason other than it has a weight class that fits his build better than 155 did.

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