[BWoods]

Originally Posted by Chrisl972

I feel one of the things that's really being over looked was how short of a left hook that was that Stann threw. I mean to be able to generate that kind of power with that little distance is pretty incredible.

I know what you're talking about, I almost mistook that punch for a jab due to the angle. It's amazing how much power that left hand carried and it was pretty much thrown textbook while in the middle of a heated exchange.

Lets see what happens when he gets taken down though, his ground game is still a mystery.

[milkkid291]

Originally Posted by bbjd7

It improved but the guy is far from a great techinical striker. He is closer to brawler than techinical MMA striker at this point in his career.

Never called him a great technical striker, but I didn't see any brawling by him during this fight. He threw some nice jabs and straights, threw some nice strong leg kicks, covered up nicely when Marshall was brawling, threw a nice (and as Chris pointed out, SHORT) hook that knocked out Marshall.


EDIT: I justed re-watched the video and I just can't point out Stann's brawling that you say he had during this fight.

I'm also impressed with the way he completely neutralized Marshall's Thai clinch.

[NavyChief]

Originally Posted by ESPADA9

The last time I checked the US Army had several airborne divisions, Army Rangers, Army Special Forces and Delta Force.

No one branch of the military has the market corned on elite units or special operations trained units.

Oh come now. Of course they do. The Navy SEALS. Baddest, deadliest, and best trained mofo's walkin' da planet. Bar none. Period. Always and forever. From now to eternity. Anything that any of the other services SPECWAR groups can do...the SEALS can do (better) and with fewer operators. Plus they can do it on the water, under the water, in the air, or on the ground. (Said only slightly tongue in cheek).

They made the SEALS stop doing jump training at Ft Bragg (home of the Army Rangers and the Airborne) because they were scaring everyone on the base. The Rangers had to be issued blankey's and teddy bears to stop 'em from crying.

And just for the record...the Rangers and Delta are the Army's "Spec Forces".

Not trying to start a flame war again. Sigh. I am always so lonely here. Ha. I should be

[ESPADA9]

Originally Posted by milkkid291

Never called him a great technical striker, but I didn't see any brawling by him during this fight. He threw some nice jabs and straights, threw some nice strong leg kicks, covered up nicely when Marshall was brawling, threw a nice (and as Chris pointed out, SHORT) hook that knocked out Marshall.


EDIT: I justed re-watched the video and I just can't point out Stann's brawling that you say he had during this fight.

I'm also impressed with the way he completely neutralized Marshall's Thai clinch.

I wouldn't consider Wanderlei Silva or Houston Alexander "technical strikers" either but they get it done against game opponents.

I think Brian is a brawler but not without skill, his hands were always in a good defensive position which allowed him to survive. He DOES have skill, he just needs more experience.

Watch some of the top strikers, they often look unorthodox or "non technical" but they are relaxed and patient and only take calculated risks.

MMA is not boxing OR Muay Thai, there are far too many variables to consider, you can’t expect to have perfect text book style and all the other skills needed to win.

I can only think of a small hand full of MMA strikers who have what I would consider “technically proficient” stand up.

[milkkid291]

Originally Posted by ESPADA9

I wouldn't consider Wanderlei Silva or Houston Alexander "technical strikers" either but they get it done against game opponents.

I think Brian is a brawler but not without skill, his hands were always in a good defensive position which allowed him to survive. He DOES have skill, he just needs more experience.

Watch some of the top strikers, they often look unorthodox or "non technical" but they are relaxed and patient and only take calculated risks.

MMA is not boxing OR Muay Thai, there are far too many variables to consider, you can’t expect to have perfect text book style and all the other skills needed to win.

I can only think of a small hand full of MMA strikers who have what I would consider “technically proficient” stand up.

I guess what I was trying to defend here was that BBJD said Brian braweled with Marshall. I see brawling as sloppy punching that keeps you exposed. Last night, Brian showed he didn't brawl, but had great technical punches.

I don't expect anyone to have perfect text book style in MMA, look at Urijah Faber

I was just defending people accusing him of brawling and not have pretty stand up, when last night, he looked pretty damn good.

He brawls with people, like by taking huge punches and swinging back, as he did in the Marshall fight, but he came back with a great left hook, which I don't consider a sloppy/brawling punch.

I guess when people say someone is a brawler, I assume they think they are not good technical strikers, are sloppy and get lucky, which I don't think is true.

[ESPADA9]

Originally Posted by NavyChief

Oh come now. Of course they do. The Navy SEALS. Baddest, deadliest, and best trained mofo's walkin' da planet. Bar none. Period. Always and forever. From now to eternity. Anything that any of the other services SPECWAR groups can do...the SEALS can do (better) and with fewer operators. Plus they can do it on the water, under the water, in the air, or on the ground. (Said only slightly tongue in cheek).

They made the SEALS stop doing jump training at Ft Bragg (home of the Army Rangers and the Airborne) because they were scaring everyone on the base. The Rangers had to be issued blankey's and teddy bears to stop 'em from crying.

And just for the record...the Rangers and Delta are the Army's "Spec Forces".

Not trying to start a flame war again. Sigh. I am always so lonely here. Ha. I should be

Well until they have a spec ops “contest” this is all subjective.

I’ve heard several arguments for the Air force Para rescue Jumpers or Para jumpers.

As for the Rangers and Delta being the Army “Special Forces” that’s not entirely correct.
The Army Rangers are often included in joint special operations but the actual Special Forces are separate organization (Greed Berets) and organized at the Battalion level.
Delta is a separate small unit (much like the Seals) they’re under JSOC command and are arguably the top notch unit in the military (having former Seals, SF and Ranger members) similar to the British SAS.

But again I digress, it’s all subjective.

[ESPADA9]

Originally Posted by milkkid291

I guess what I was trying to defend here was that BBJD said Brian braweled with Marshall. I see brawling as sloppy punching that keeps you exposed. Last night, Brian showed he didn't brawl, but had great technical punches.

I don't expect anyone to have perfect text book style in MMA, look at Urijah Faber

I was just defending people accusing him of brawling and not have pretty stand up, when last night, he looked pretty damn good.

He brawls with people, like by taking huge punches and swinging back, as he did in the Marshall fight, but he came back with a great left hook, which I don't consider a sloppy/brawling punch.

I guess when people say someone is a brawler, I assume they think they are not good technical strikers, are sloppy and get lucky, which I don't think is true.

I was agreeing with you but I guess my post sounded defensive.

I think a “brawler” can be several things, one would be a wild striker who likes to stand and bang and take risks and rely on their chin and heavy hands often leaving themselves open for counter punching.

Another example could be a technically sound striker who relies on their superior standup, movement and power to overwhelm their opponent taking calculated risks when they think it will gain them a KO.

I don’t think you necessarily need to be reckless or unskilled to be a brawler.

I think Liddell is a bit of a brawler but his style is effective and when he’s on it’s difficult to defend against.

[bbjd7]

My point is he has a brawler kind of stand up and he outbrawled a guy in Rhino Marshall who is basically horrible. So While I think his stand up is pretty good I'm don't even think his stand up would be ready for the UFC LHW divison.

[Warchild]

Originally Posted by NavyChief

But I stand by my statement that there is a definite mindset among the Marines that does not exist in the same way in any of the other services. And of course not every single Marine is the same but by in large they possess a quality that is unique to that service.

Sorry for taking this so far off topic.

I will agree with you however, there is no other service that seems to be as dedictaed and professional. They epitomize the term "Military Bearing". My little brother not yet 22 was killed in Iraq back in Sept. I have never seen a more dedicated group of men than the detail assigned to his body. Made me proud to be an American. RIP Lcpl. Clark.

[milkkid291]

Originally Posted by ESPADA9

I was agreeing with you but I guess my post sounded defensive.

I think a “brawler” can be several things, one would be a wild striker who likes to stand and bang and take risks and rely on their chin and heavy hands often leaving themselves open for counter punching.

Another example could be a technically sound striker who relies on their superior standup, movement and power to overwhelm their opponent taking calculated risks when they think it will gain them a KO.

I don’t think you necessarily need to be reckless or unskilled to be a brawler.

I think Liddell is a bit of a brawler but his style is effective and when he’s on it’s difficult to defend against.

I agree with you and sorry I took your post a little defensive. I was more trying to define what I think is a brawler and targeting it more towards BBJD.

Your Examples sum it all up.