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WEC World Extreme Cagefighting is an American mixed martial arts promotion. It is the sister promotion to the UFC, both owned and produced by ZUFFA, with a focus on lighter weight classes and talent building for the UFC. As with its older and much larger sibling, the WEC uses the same rules as the UFC, but it holds its fights in a smaller octagonal cage.
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04-07-2008, 04:26 PM
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Leonard Garcia: "I'm innocent of drug arrest charges!"
“This is leonard, I want to ask all my fans and supporters to keep me in their prayers. Know that I can clear my name and continue to give fans the fights they deserve to watch. And know that I am innocent of a crime that I’m being accused of from 3 years ago. Pray hard and let’s let god do his best work for me to keep me where I belong, in the cage fighting the best in the world. Thank all of u and I will not dissapoint y’al.l I will get through this mess and make everyone proud of me as I have done before”
http://mmamania.com/2008/04/07/leona...rrest-charges/
I heard that he was being charged with these crimes and I didn't really believe it.
The fed's might make a mistake about a dime bag or a joint, but rarly do they persue someone about drug trafficing, and not have the right man.
I hope that he is cleared of all charges, but sadly I doubt he will be. He is a great fighter and we should all hope for the best.
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04-07-2008, 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by IhitU.uHITfloor
The fed's might make a mistake about a dime bag or a joint, but rarly do they persue someone about drug trafficing, and not have the right man.
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Where did you learn that, Law & Order episodes?  In the US at least, police make arrests all the time without following them with indictments. The amount of evidence required for an arrest is much less than that required for indictment and much, much, much less than that required for a criminal conviction.
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04-07-2008, 06:29 PM
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Where did you learn that, Law & Order episodes?  In the US at least, police make arrests all the time without following them with indictments. The amount of evidence required for an arrest is much less than that required for indictment and much, much, much less than that required for a criminal conviction.
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This isn't state police though, this is the FEDS. At that level there is too much at stake to make a mistake.
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04-07-2008, 06:37 PM
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They have been tracking and following these guys for years.
Unless Leonard was in the wrong place at the wrong time, I don't see him getting cleared.
Sad because I really liked him as a fighter.
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04-07-2008, 06:37 PM
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This isn't state police though, this is the FEDS. At that level there is too much at stake to make a mistake.
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Man, I'm not trying to start shit or make you look dumb but you are just flat-out wrong... an "arrest" just means forcibly taking someone in. Sometimes arrests are made just to gather information. Many arrests are made solely on the word of a single person. It is just flat-out wrong to claim that because someone has been arrested it's a foregone conclusion that they are guilty, not even the feds themselves would claim that. It would undermine the point of an arrest.
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04-07-2008, 06:44 PM
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Man, I'm not trying to start shit or make you look dumb but you are just flat-out wrong... an "arrest" just means forcibly taking someone in. Sometimes arrests are made just to gather information. Many arrests are made solely on the word of a single person. It is just flat-out wrong to claim that because someone has been arrested it's a foregone conclusion that they are guilty, not even the feds themselves would claim that. It would undermine the point of an arrest.
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HEY YOU FLIPPIN A-HOLE NEVER QUESTION ME I AM ALWAYS RIGHT!!!!!
Just kidding. I know exactly what you mean but there is obviously something that they want to talk to him about. Hopefully he gives them the story that will get him off the hook, and not the one about the dead hookers full of blow in the trunk of his car. 
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04-07-2008, 09:25 PM
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Man, I'm not trying to start shit or make you look dumb but you are just flat-out wrong... an "arrest" just means forcibly taking someone in. Sometimes arrests are made just to gather information. Many arrests are made solely on the word of a single person. It is just flat-out wrong to claim that because someone has been arrested it's a foregone conclusion that they are guilty, not even the feds themselves would claim that. It would undermine the point of an arrest.
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Feds making an arrest vs local cops is a bit different, if the Feds dont think they have enough they will usually hand it off to the locals. I have family and alot of friends in the Chicago PD, and while yes they still might hand it off to the locals... its not looking good. Im still holding out hope though. And if the Feds do hand it to the locals thas very good, that means the Feds arent sure if they can get a conviction. So lets all hope that they hand it off.
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04-07-2008, 10:20 PM
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Feds making an arrest vs local cops is a bit different, if the Feds dont think they have enough they will usually hand it off to the locals. I have family and alot of friends in the Chicago PD, and while yes they still might hand it off to the locals... its not looking good. Im still holding out hope though. And if the Feds do hand it to the locals thas very good, that means the Feds arent sure if they can get a conviction. So lets all hope that they hand it off.
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Exactly. Well said.
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04-07-2008, 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by JuggNuttz
Feds making an arrest vs local cops is a bit different, if the Feds dont think they have enough they will usually hand it off to the locals. I have family and alot of friends in the Chicago PD, and while yes they still might hand it off to the locals... its not looking good. Im still holding out hope though. And if the Feds do hand it to the locals thas very good, that means the Feds arent sure if they can get a conviction. So lets all hope that they hand it off.
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The federal involvement is likely due to the size of the operation and seizure and not much else.
I'd also like to point out that there have been several arrests in this case. All, some, or none may end up indicted- the fact that Garcia was arrested doesn't mean he will be charged. In a "ring" bust like this it's not uncommon for many to be arrested and questioned but only a few to be indicted- that's just part of the legal process. He has stated that he was arrested just because his name was mentioned, which isn't really surprising since he is probably one of the more well-known people in his immediate community.
He might very well end up being indicted and even convicted. But to say at this point that "its not looking good"- well, it's never good to be arrested, but I don't see how you can accurately characterize the situation (unless you are part of the investigation), since they've released few facts and none of the evidence to the public.
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04-08-2008, 09:15 AM
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The federal involvement is likely due to the size of the operation and seizure and not much else.
I'd also like to point out that there have been several arrests in this case. All, some, or none may end up indicted- the fact that Garcia was arrested doesn't mean he will be charged. In a "ring" bust like this it's not uncommon for many to be arrested and questioned but only a few to be indicted- that's just part of the legal process. He has stated that he was arrested just because his name was mentioned, which isn't really surprising since he is probably one of the more well-known people in his immediate community.
He might very well end up being indicted and even convicted. But to say at this point that "its not looking good"- well, it's never good to be arrested, but I don't see how you can accurately characterize the situation (unless you are part of the investigation), since they've released few facts and none of the evidence to the public.
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