[Damone]

You're forgetting that Jens Pulver performs greatly at 145. At 155, he had to face bigger guys. At 145, he's facing guys his size, and has shown that he can still perform at that weight. Pulver's wrestling is good enough to avoid the takedown and his stand-up is loads better.

[pauly_j]

Pulver has brilliant wrestling, better bjj and better striking. The only thing Faber has is slightly better wrestling and good gnp. I see it being close, but with Jens winning.

[attention]

Originally Posted by ManOfSteel808

Jeepers Mister!
Pulver vs. Faber???
are u kidding me!?!
I'm sorry guys, I respect Pulver's hands, but I'm gonna have to go with Faber on this one. He's got the better wrestling, Jiu Jitsu, and conditioning...overall Pulver's just not in the same class as Faber.
If u look at Faber, he looks like he could fight 155 and own , but like all smart fighters, he cuts down a weight class to bring down his striking power and his strength.

Now if Jens was a little bit younger, he should cut down to 135, he looks like he can, and i think at 135, he'd dominate.

My result:
Faber by submission. period.

I disagree.

Faber is at 145 because he knows he would get smoked at 155.
The 155 talent pool is deep.
By staying at 145 he secures himself a belt and some recognition.
(At 155 Sherk would completely out work him, BJ would sub him, Gomi would KO him, Aoki would 'plat him, JZ would basically own him... not to mention Nate, Clay, Huerta, Melendez...)

I think you underestimate Jens... the guy has fought alot of tough guys in the lw division... and dropping down to fw will make him seriously dangerous. Pulvers past bouts are a list of serious lw contenders, if not champions... that cant be said for Faber.

I give Faber credit for staying in shallow waters, but Jens is about to give him a lesson in the deep end.

[ManOfSteel808]

Originally Posted by attention

I disagree.

Faber is at 145 because he knows he would get smoked at 155.
The 155 talent pool is deep.
By staying at 145 he secures himself a belt and some recognition.
(At 155 Sherk would completely out work him, BJ would sub him, Gomi would KO him, Aoki would 'plat him, JZ would basically own him... not to mention Nate, Clay, Huerta, Melendez...)

I think you underestimate Jens... the guy has fought alot of tough guys in the lw division... and dropping down to fw will make him seriously dangerous. Pulvers past bouts are a list of serious lw contenders, if not champions... that cant be said for Faber.

I give Faber credit for staying in shallow waters, but Jens is about to give him a lesson in the deep end.

We'll see...you have to also factor in the difference in age, Jens is somewhere near 13 years older than Faber. Faber is more explosive, pound for pound, Faber is the better fighter, in 2 out of 3 categories:

1. Striking, I'm gonna give it to Jens, I agree, yes, Jens is the better striker...BUT, who's to say that FAber's standup won't improve?

2. Wrestling, I'm gonna give this one to Faber, hands down. Faber is a well decorated NCAA class wrestler, who coached the UC Davis wrestling team. He's got powerful, and explosive takedowns, and a superior sprawl/takedown defense(not that Pulver is gonna attempt a takedown anyway).

3. Jiu Jitsu, gotta go with Faber on this one too...he's got great submission skills and he's got another factor that gives him an advantage in the ground game: Brains. He's constantly learning everyday in training and every second in a fight. He has the arsenal to submit anyone at anytime...he's an adaptive fighter, and that's what any champion needs to be...adaptive; constantly looking for the finish, whether by armbar, triangle, rearnaked, anaconda, d'arce, anklelock, etc, he's consistantly looking for the finish.

Faber, sorry Jens, but he's the champ for a reason.

[Damone]

He's the champ because he beat a bunch of turds to get the title. He finally did something worthwhile by beating Jeff Curran in impressive fashion, but Jens Pulver ain't Jeff Curran.

[ManOfSteel808]

Originally Posted by pauly_j

Pulver has brilliant wrestling, better bjj and better striking. The only thing Faber has is slightly better wrestling and good gnp. I see it being close, but with Jens winning.

WHAT!!!
Better jits!!?!!?!!!
I disagree sir!
Faber has both better wrestling and better BJJ. Granted Jens is the better striker, but look at what happened to him against J-Lau, KO is right! Not submission...but KO! which means by J-Lau punching Jens in the face. The reason for that: Lauzon's strategy...and i'm guessing Faber's gonna do the same thing.

But back to the point! Faber has better jits and wrestling than Pulver hands down! Majority of Faber's wins: submission. Faber came into MMA as primarily a wrestler, and evolved into the fighter he is today. Wait a couple of years, Faber's gonna be the next mini BJ. Wo knows...

Originally Posted by Damone

He's the champ because he beat a bunch of turds to get the title. He finally did something worthwhile by beating Jeff Curran in impressive fashion, but Jens Pulver ain't Jeff Curran.

True. He did beat a bunch of turds, no doubt.
But look at the MMA rankings according to Sherdog:
http://sports.espn.go.com/extra/mma/...ory?id=3303808

Faber is ranked #6...where's Pulver? probably down at #35???maybe if he's lucky?

[Lotus]

It should be a great fight, I hope Pulver wins but I can most certainly see Faber winning the fight, here's hoping to a viscous left hook KO from Pulver.

[attention]

Originally Posted by ManOfSteel808

WHAT!!!
Better jits!!?!!?!!!
I disagree sir!
Faber has both better wrestling and better BJJ. Granted Jens is the better striker, but look at what happened to him against J-Lau, KO is right! Not submission...but KO! which means by J-Lau punching Jens in the face. The reason for that: Lauzon's strategy...and i'm guessing Faber's gonna do the same thing.

But back to the point! Faber has better jits and wrestling than Pulver hands down! Majority of Faber's wins: submission. Faber came into MMA as primarily a wrestler, and evolved into the fighter he is today. Wait a couple of years, Faber's gonna be the next mini BJ. Wo knows...

Just too much speculation about just how 'good' Faber really is.
IMHO, Jens underestimated JLau... who knew about this guy?
The guy took everyone by surprise, Jens included. Im not taking anything away from J-Lau, but Jens was working from zero info about the guy and prolly thought it was a gimme bout.

Just how do you arrive at that conclusion about having better jits? I simply dont think there is enough data to jump to that...
its not that I think the sheer numbers are meaningless... but it would carry more weight had there been a couple more known/reputable fighters in there.

If Jens fought a 100 crappy dudes and won by KO for all of them I would say the same thing...

'Faber is a well decorated NCAA class wrestler'... thats exactly what everyone was saying about Kos VS GSP... and we all know that turned out...
suffice it to say, I give more props to fighting tough guys and losing versus fighting so-so fighters and winning... especially if its won pretty same way every time.

Lemme put it this way, there wont be any surprises from Faber for this bout, it will be more of the same.
I think the tag for the bout should be:
'lil Sherk VS lil Evil'

[Damone]

Originally Posted by ManOfSteel808

True. He did beat a bunch of turds, no doubt.
But look at the MMA rankings according to Sherdog:
http://sports.espn.go.com/extra/mma/...ory?id=3303808

Faber is ranked #6...where's Pulver? probably down at #35???maybe if he's lucky?

Wait, you're using freakin' Sherdog rankings to prove your point? Seriously?

Rankings have nothing to do with it, it's about styles.

[ManOfSteel808]

good stuff man, good stuff.
We'll see, can't wait to watch the fight.

Originally Posted by Damone

Wait, you're using freakin' Sherdog rankings to prove your point? Seriously?

Rankings have nothing to do with it, it's about styles.

Hey, i was using the rankings to show how the world rates fighters, I don't truly agree with the rankings, but, u gotta respect ranked fighters, i mean they wouldn't be up there if they weren't good.
Yeah, i know rankings have nothing to do with the outcome of a fight, but, like i said earlier, style-wise, this fight is giving the edge to Faber...same as the fight against BJ, Jens' style just doesn't match up well against Faber's. Faber's not a moron, he's not gonna keep it on the feet to prove his standup(like Andy Wang), Faber's gonna go for the quick takedown, and the finish...fight ends in 2 min. get in finish, thank sponsors, go home.