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in certain partas of the fight towards the end it seemed henderson did absolutely nothing but scramble around for takedowns and escape subs. That's not what i like to watch.
cerrone rocking hendo with punches multiple times, plus putting him in like 7 tight submissions, counts for more then hendo's many takedowns and boring punches from above that never seriously hurt cerrone.
in my opinion cerrone should have won.
in japan, cerrone would have definitely won.
cerrone was trying to end the fight constantly; hendo seemed to be doing nothing but survive; i cant remember him trying to finish the fight even once.
if the fight went another round, cerrone would have won.
anyway i love cerrone and while i love hendo too it's obvious my bias coming out. it was a spectacular and amazing fight, and it elevated both fighters' status. I'm just upset that i feel that cerrone did so much more to exite the fans and try and finish the fight, and yet still lost. Cerrone took the loss great tho, and i have massive respect for both fighters.
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I agree that the decision was lame. While I can see why some judges would score it the way that it was scored, this just affirms the fact that submission attempts are undervalued. When you're in a tight submission, you're literally seconds and inches from losing the fight. I think that a REALLY good submission attempt should count almost as much as knockdown. A series of good submission attempts should be the equivalent of one.
If takedowns and a bit of moderately effective ground and pound carry more weight than some very tight subs -- as was apparently the case in round 1 -- then the scale should be recalibrated.
I thought Henderson won. He was taking him down and doing damage to Cerrone. Cerrone had a lot of nice sub attempts, but I'd like to think that sub attempts don't win you a fight. It was a great fight, and a great event. Smooth and Cowboy I think will both end up in the UFC. I hope one of them kills Varner. I think that Smooth has much better cardio. And lets not forget that Varner/Cerrone was a split, so its not like Varner blew Cerrone away.
I thought Henderson won. He was taking him down and doing damage to Cerrone. Cerrone had a lot of nice sub attempts, but I'd like to think that sub attempts don't win you a fight. It was a great fight, and a great event. Smooth and Cowboy I think will both end up in the UFC. I hope one of them kills Varner. I think that Smooth has much better cardio. And lets not forget that Varner/Cerrone was a split, so its not like Varner blew Cerrone away.
I would argue that it was the other way around. Henderson didn't really do all that much damage with the ground and pound, where as Cerrone was knocking Henderson around by the end of the fight. Neither fighter came close to finishing due to damage done by strikes, but I would say that Cerrone's were better.
And why shouldn't sub attempts win you a fight, when neither guy is able to finish or do an astounding amount of damage? Better than takedowns winning a fight, which is what I feel happened.
And why shouldn't sub attempts win you a fight, when neither guy is able to finish or do an astounding amount of damage? Better than takedowns winning a fight, which is what I feel happened.
Well, I was trying to be an impartial fan and rewatch the first round to give doubters the benefit of the doubt and see why Ben was adamant that he wasn't really in any trouble... Well the truth of it is that Cerrone did not apply the submission correctly. The guillotine was not applied correctly when Ben started defending it and when he switched to the triangle, Ben's elbow was already pretty much out. Guys that do BJJ know that all you got to do is get that elbow out and you're safe. His angle on the guillotine was all wrong and it wasn't even causing panic. Seriously, watch it closely on your DVR. So I wouldn't give the attempted subs so much credit.
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I can see what a lot of people are saying here. Cerrone was constantly working subs throughout the fight. But, one has to give Henderson as much credit, if not more, for surviving them and positioning himself better.
If this were a brawl, it'd be like if Cerrone threw a plethora of jabs, all of which were blocked, while Henderson countered every 4th or 5th punch that got through.
The problem with constant submission attempts is that there is no evident damage. The above scenario that I described would show redness, puffiness, maybe a cut / black eye, etc. But a submission does internal damage, not evident by the naked eye.
I loved this fight, and I love submissions, but I gave it to Henderson. His positioning was fantastic, and he got it a number of shots from the crouched position.
I can see what a lot of people are saying here. Cerrone was constantly working subs throughout the fight. But, one has to give Henderson as much credit, if not more, for surviving them and positioning himself better.
If this were a brawl, it'd be like if Cerrone threw a plethora of jabs, all of which were blocked, while Henderson countered every 4th or 5th punch that got through.
The problem with constant submission attempts is that there is no evident damage. The above scenario that I described would show redness, puffiness, maybe a cut / black eye, etc. But a submission does internal damage, not evident by the naked eye.
I loved this fight, and I love submissions, but I gave it to Henderson. His positioning was fantastic, and he got it a number of shots from the crouched position.
Great job by both fighters.
Saying Henderson should win because of getting out of tight submissions is like saying someone should win for getting punched in the face repeatedly and not going unconscious. Octagon control is the dumbest thought that ever entered someones brain it doesn't even mean anything. I want to see the fight cards because there is no way all three judges gave 1 to Henderson I am willing to bet atleast one of them gave him 5 because he was ontop of him while in all of those submissions because that is the level of retardation in MMA judging. None of the rounds were close Cerrone clearly won this fight.
Great fight, horrible decision
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