[spaulding91]

For the past two days all I've read or heard has been GSP didn't come to fight, he is scared of hardy's stand up, he just layed on him.

This all needs to end. First off this is not a street fight, its a MMA match. Wrestling is a big part of MMA and quite possibly the best base to have in MMA. Is it GSP's fault Hardy has ZERO wrestling? It sounds to me like Hardy needs to worry less about being a fighter and more about being a well rounded mixed martial artist.

Second is this rediculous claim that GSP is either scared to get hit or was scared of Hardy's stand up. Hardy threw what....7 or 8 punches standing? and the one punch he actually committed to he got countered with a 1-2 combo. The rest of the time it looked like he was either trying to counter or just scared to death of the takedown. Also, GSP stood with Alves for quite a bit who IMO is a far better striker than Hardy. Another point is if you say GSP was scared to stand, then you have to say Hardy was scared to wrestle. I mean I didn't see him shoot a double or go for the clinch at all. But why would he? Just like why would GSP get into a brawl with Hardy? Its not fear, its just being smart

With all that being said I did think the fight was a little lackluster, but not because of GSP, but because of Hardy. Hardy was not preparded for an MMA match at all. Did he even train wrestling? JJ offense of his back? Didn't look like it to me.

Enough with the hate.

 

[Nefilim777]

Ok Hardy wasn't great, but in fairness, his Jits was very good. Most other people woulda been finished way earlier then that. I don't think people are hating on GSP, I just think they want to see him challenged. And that will only happen at middle weight.

 

[TraMaI]

I'm not hating, I'm just saying that Fitch GSPs dudes constantly and gets nothing but hate for it, GSP does it and gets nothing but love.


Also, GSP was afraid to get hit. Watch it when he's in Dan's guard and Dan pops him in the face, he turtles and looks like he wants NOTHING to do with it.

 

[alizio]

last time i checked. the object of the game was to NOT get hit.

but i guess the real tough guy pro's get hit on purpose to show how manly they are.

if you can find a way to win while minimizing your chances of losing and getting hit, its likely the best way to handle it and the way a "mixed martial artist" would handle it.

Fitch is right tho. Ppl want K1 with small gloves.

 

[LOJ]

Last time I checked getting hit in the face isn't fun, and at all costs you try to avoid it.

 

[spaulding91]

and look at Hardy when GSP had him stacked. He had his hands on the arms of GSP trying to stop the punches. Clearly Hardy was scared to get hit as well.....Come on people!

 

[G_Land]

Yeah if you dont want to get hit just wrassle them

 

[LOJ]

and look at Hardy when GSP had him stacked. He had his hands on the arms of GSP trying to stop the punches. Clearly Hardy was scared to get hit as well.....Come on people!

Yeah, it's a bit much; Saying a pro mixed martial arts fighter is afraid to take a punch.

:confused02:

 

[rean1mator]

Come on, Hardy straight up got man handled by gsp. Since when is lying on your back and being flexible/double jointed enough to withstand a move that would have snapped most peoples arms in two considered good jiu jitsu? Shit that ain't even good jiu jitsu defense imo. Hardy has no jiu jitsu period. he's got joint flexibility.

the same people criticizing GSP for not wanting to finish fights would probably be the same one's nut huggin' on him if Hardy would have tapped or if GSP would have snapped Hardy's arm in two. The two submission attempts could very easily and was extremely close to being a very different outcome.

The problem is that as MMA gets so popular you get the masses that have very little understanding of the ground game whining about fights if there is no knockout or have two guys pummeling each other. And sadly the UFC/Dana White is trying too hard to cater to that mentality. You saw it in the Fitch/Saunders fight when Dan Miragliotta kept standing them up as soon as the crowd started booing. Absolutely lame b/c Fitch was working the ground game imo.

Ok Hardy wasn't great, but in fairness, his Jits was very good. Most other people woulda been finished way earlier then that. I don't think people are hating on GSP, I just think they want to see him challenged. And that will only happen at middle weight.

 

[TraMaI]

last time i checked. the object of the game was to NOT get hit.

but i guess the real tough guy pro's get hit on purpose to show how manly they are.

if you can find a way to win while minimizing your chances of losing and getting hit, its likely the best way to handle it and the way a "mixed martial artist" would handle it.

Fitch is right tho. Ppl want K1 with small gloves.

I said it in another thread, there's a very big difference between getting hit and reacting and getting hit and it putting the fear of God in you. GSP got him, turtled and didn't post up at all. The dude was in side mount and wasn't throwing shit for punches. he was sitting in half guard and didn't throw shit for punches. The only time I remember him posting up was in the first or second, then Hardy hit him in the mouth and it never happened again. Reacting to a punch is putting your head down for a second, securing position and posting back up and beating on someones face (See: Fitch vs Saunders), not wanting to get hit is when you get hit and put your head down and never post up again.


Also, I want to clarify something:

I'm not hating on GSPs style at all. If he wants to win fights like that then fine. What I'm saying is I'm tired of people saying he's awesome etc etc and people like Fitch getting so much hate when they do the same damn thing and, IMO, Fitch is FAR more agressive on the ground and standing.

 

[Syxx Paq]

I'm sorry good sir, last i checked i was a fan, and on a forum about my opinion, if its my opinion GSP needs to regrow his balls, its my opinion. You cannot seriously tell me he did not lay on dan hardy for what? 20-22 minutes? without even trying to GNP, his corner told him "stop passing, try to pound him" he didnt. he sat on him. fuuuun. im sorry its just when a guy is a 2-3 times a year fighter, i want a good fight otherwise you should be working for your wins. put him in MW, i would love to see him get knocked out now for some reason, i wonder what it could be, if only hendo were still in UFC... out wrestle him + hook of doom = GSP has purchased a cave to hide from getting stopped this time.

 

[LOJ]

What is the sport becoming?

Seriously, at the end of the day it's not us in there fighting. Personally, I think Frank Mir should take some game plan advice from GSP. He got his ass handed to him and everyone knew including Mir that Carwin was looking for the knock out. But hey nobody cares that Mir is not the interm champion because we got to see our knock out of the night. That's whats most important isn't it? Mir gets shit on for standing with Carwin, and GSP gets shit on for taking the fight to the ground.

I hope to god that this forum doesn't get like Sherdog.

 

[alizio]

I said it in another thread, there's a very big difference between getting hit and reacting and getting hit and it putting the fear of God in you. GSP got him, turtled and didn't post up at all. The dude was in side mount and wasn't throwing shit for punches. he was sitting in half guard and didn't throw shit for punches. The only time I remember him posting up was in the first or second, then Hardy hit him in the mouth and it never happened again. Reacting to a punch is putting your head down for a second, securing position and posting back up and beating on someones face (See: Fitch vs Saunders), not wanting to get hit is when you get hit and put your head down and never post up again.


Also, I want to clarify something:

I'm not hating on GSPs style at all. If he wants to win fights like that then fine. What I'm saying is I'm tired of people saying he's awesome etc etc and people like Fitch getting so much hate when they do the same damn thing and, IMO, Fitch is FAR more agressive on the ground and standing.

GSP kind of gives what he gets. Hardy wasnt doing shit, not landing anything or looking for anything so GSP just took the easy win and outgrappled him and looked for subs instead of GnP.

You boy Fitch caught the beating of his life cuz he tried to be aggressive with GSP and GSP more then returned the favor.

Sounds like you are mad that GSP is Jon Fitch version 10.0

Fitch will never beat GSP despite what you say about Fitch being more aggressive, willing to take shots w/e.

school was in session. and if they meet again, we will relive that embarrassment.

Jon keeps talking about "holes" in GSPs game. GSPs game is the same, except he fights smarter and has more speed and athletism.

BTW more ppl dont like Fitch cuz he is a whiney bitch then cuz he is boring.

Dana laughed in his face at the post fight. So did all the reporters.

 

[TraMaI]

What is the sport becoming?

Seriously, at the end of the day it's not us in there fighting. Personally, I think Frank Mir should take some game plan advice from GSP. He got his ass handed to him and everyone knew including Mir that Carwin was looking for the knock out. But hey nobody cares that Mir is not the interm champion because we got to see our knock out of the night. That's whats most important isn't it? Mir gets shit on for standing with Carwin, and GSP gets shit on for taking the fight to the ground.

I hope to god that this forum doesn't get like Sherdog.

Like I said, if GSP would've stood with Hardy I would've called him a dumbass. Mir was a dumbass, GSP just didn't take any sort of risk at all. There were about 4-5 sub attempts per round that I saw and GSP could've easily done it but he was more concerned with pulling out a win and keeping his position than trying something slightly more risky.

GSP kind of gives what he gets. Hardy wasnt doing shit, not landing anything or looking for anything so GSP just took the easy win and outgrappled him and looked for subs instead of GnP.

You boy Fitch caught the beating of his life cuz he tried to be aggressive with GSP and GSP more then returned the favor.

Sounds like you are mad that GSP is Jon Fitch version 10.0

Fitch will never beat GSP despite what you say about Fitch being more aggressive, willing to take shots w/e.

school was in session. and if they meet again, we will relive that embarrassment.

Jon keeps talking about "holes" in GSPs game. GSPs game is the same, except he fights smarter and has more speed and athletism.

BTW more ppl dont like Fitch cuz he is a whiney bitch then cuz he is boring.

Dana laughed in his face at the post fight. So did all the reporters.

Hey, please point out where I said Fitch was going to beat GSP?

Oh wait, I didn't. I said a long time ago that if Fitch can improve his game and add things to it then he might have a shot, but I've also said that isn't going to be so for at least a couple years.

Again, I'm not mad GSP is better, I'm mad people like you are on his balls (you can fit both Cain's and GSPs in there?) saying he's amazing when people like Fitch, who do the same thing to everyone but GSP, get shit on.

And Fitch is a whiney bitch? I guess that makes YOU one too since you're defending the exact thing Jon was "whining" about?


Also, GSP didn't "forgo GnP to look for subs," kiddo, he laid on Hardy for two rounds, looked for subs, realized Hardy wasn't going to tap and went back to his laying.

 

[LOJ]

Like I said, if GSP would've stood with Hardy I would've called him a dumbass. Mir was a dumbass, GSP just didn't take any sort of risk at all. There were about 4-5 sub attempts per round that I saw and GSP could've easily done it but he was more concerned with pulling out a win and keeping his position than trying something slightly more risky.

After GSP failed to sub Hardy early, he should have stopped and ground and pounded him from then on instead of looking for more submissions. If he wasn't going to quit at first, he wasn't going to quit at all.

 

[TraMaI]

After GSP failed to sub Hardy early, he should have stopped and ground and pounded him from then on instead of looking for more submissions. If he wasn't going to quit at first, he wasn't going to quit at all.

My point exactly.

 

[alizio]

lol now im a GSP nuthugger??

u seem really bitter. Kinda like Jon himself.

Tell Jon on the way to the title, GSP KO'd some ppl, stopped some ppl. some top guys.

it wasnt all decisions, he gained popularity finishing some fights. dont get it twisted and think they are the same.

Jon only looks more aggressive on the feet cuz he isnt as good standing and leaves himself much more open and his transitions arent close to as good as GSPs are.

i can understand being bitter. i was a wrestler when i was younger. i would hate some guy who wasnt even a wrestler making me look stupid at my own game and owning me standing too.

Jon comes across bitter everytime he talks. seriously watch the post fight press. he was the laughing stock of the whole thing.

instead of complaining about fans, promoters and other fighters. Jon should try finishing somebody and then asking for a shot.

GSP is afraid to get hit?? so ridiculous.

i midaswell say Jon is afraid of Kos. A fight i think he will lose.

 

[Keanman]

I thought Hardy's ground game was decent. He kept active with strikes and had GSP working for the pass. When GSP did pass, Hardy often got him back to half guard/full guard or eventually stood up. Hardy just got overwhelmed. Can you blame the guy?

I don't know how anybody can complain about GSP's performance. Did anybody really think he was going to come in and knock Hardy out? He stuck with what works for him. A 5 round decision (mostly based on TDs) or a sub. The only thing I didn't get was after the first sub attempt, he should have switched to chokes. I'll have to watch the fight again but I don't remember GSP going for many RNCs when he had Hardy's back.

 

[TraMaI]

lol now im a GSP nuthugger??

u seem really bitter. Kinda like Jon himself.

Tell Jon on the way to the title, GSP KO'd some ppl, stopped some ppl. some top guys.

it wasnt all decisions, he gained popularity finishing some fights. dont get it twisted and think they are the same.

Jon only looks more aggressive on the feet cuz he isnt as good standing and leaves himself much more open and his transitions arent close to as good as GSPs are.

i can understand being bitter. i was a wrestler when i was younger. i would hate some guy who wasnt even a wrestler making me look stupid at my own game and owning me standing too.

Jon comes across bitter everytime he talks. seriously watch the post fight press. he was the laughing stock of the whole thing.

instead of complaining about fans, promoters and other fighters. Jon should try finishing somebody and then asking for a shot.

GSP is afraid to get hit?? so ridiculous.

i midaswell say Jon is afraid of Kos. A fight i think he will lose.

I'm not even going to glorify half of this post because I know you don't actually fight or train or anything. It's kind of like playing an instrument or playing a sport, if you can't do it yourself you miss small intricacies that other people that do know how to do it will pick up on. (BTW, Wrestling =/= MMA or even half of what Fitch does)

So First: Where the HELL did I say Jon looks more aggressive standing? I said he's more aggressive on the ground as he was actively beating the piss out of Saunders on the floor.

Second: Roan Carnero, Thiago Alves and Josh Burkman all say Jon finished people on his way to the title, some TOP guys. You realize that Roan is a ******* PAN AM CHAMPION IN BJJ and Jon subbed him right?

And you honestly don't think GSP is afraid to get hit? If you didn't see how he reacted to that then you must not have been paying attention well. As soon as Hardy looked like he was going to throw something GSP took him down. When Hardy hit him on the ground, GSP turtled and never postured again. Looked like he didn't want to get hit at all to me, bub.

 

[alizio]

I'm not even going to glorify half of this post because I know you don't actually fight or train or anything. It's kind of like playing an instrument or playing a sport, if you can't do it yourself you miss small intricacies that other people that do know how to do it will pick up on. (BTW, Wrestling =/= MMA or even half of what Fitch does)

So First: Where the HELL did I say Jon looks more aggressive standing? I said he's more aggressive on the ground as he was actively beating the piss out of Saunders on the floor.

Second: Roan Carnero, Thiago Alves and Josh Burkman all say Jon finished people on his way to the title, some TOP guys. You realize that Roan is a ******* PAN AM CHAMPION IN BJJ and Jon subbed him right?

And you honestly don't think GSP is afraid to get hit? If you didn't see how he reacted to that then you must not have been paying attention well. As soon as Hardy looked like he was going to throw something GSP took him down. When Hardy hit him on the ground, GSP turtled and never postured again. Looked like he didn't want to get hit at all to me, bub.

lol fine GSP is afraid to get hit. its a wonder he has made it as far as he has. im sure his fear will make him lose real soon tho.

as for the personal stuff. you know nothing about me, bub. but keep thinking you do.