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So we have about a dozen of these active threads floating around and while I looked at the others I don't think this one fit in with those. This thread isn't just about the Maia fight, it is about all of his fights in the UFC. I was talking with a friend today about this fight and out of jest I mentioned something that upon further review looks like it may actually be on to something.

My current theory on AS fights are that he is such an obsessive counter puncher that he refuses to throw the first punch even if he knows he is dominant over his opponent. In all of his fights, except for Leben, the moment his opponent was unwilling to throw anymore punches, either be being rocked or learning their lesson, AS starts to clown around to get them to throw punches. Looking through some of his previous fights again really strengthens my belief in this. While I won't go as far as to say he is afraid to throw the first punch, I will say that he is more comfortable with putting his own unprotected chin out than throwing the first punch in an exchange.

Against Griffin he never threw first in the exchanges, he let Forrest come to him. In Franklin vs AS II when Rich stopped throwing for about 45 seconds he put his hands down and stuck his chin out. Rich took the bait and AS ducked and dodged the next 3-4 strikes and hit Rich with a lazy jab for his efforts. Cote, a notorious counter striker as well, kept stalking but ultimately waiting for AS to throw the first punch. AS did everything he could to get Cote to throw first and he wouldn't. And then clearly with Maia, he got on his hands and knees and Maia still wouldn't throw. He used every cuss word in the Protégées language and Maia still wouldn't throw. Thus AS just kept with the silly shit he was doing. And the punches he did throw were half hearted at best, not meant to KO or rock Maia, more of a bitch slap to get him to throw first.

So what does this all mean? Not sure, but what it does mean is that unless you get an aggressive striker to fight AS you are probably going to have a boring fight. How can this knowledge lead a fighter to victory? It probably can't, but it does tell you that AS will wait for you to strike so if you are prepared for it maybe you can find a hole in his counter striking (good luck!). But I think the theory is sound going off of his fights since Leben. I think he made an example of Leben to get his name known, but then again Leben is an aggressive style so AS could have gotten extremely ******* lucky getting Leben as his first fight.

So what do you think, am I blowing smoke or is there truth to my theory? Remember, I am not saying he is scared, more of the "you can't teach old dogs new tricks" in reference to his striking.
 

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So we have about a dozen of these active threads floating around and while I looked at the others I don't think this one fit in with those. This thread isn't just about the Maia fight, it is about all of his fights in the UFC. I was talking with a friend today about this fight and out of jest I mentioned something that upon further review looks like it may actually be on to something.

My current theory on AS fights are that he is such an obsessive counter puncher that he refuses to throw the first punch even if he knows he is dominant over his opponent. In all of his fights, except for Leben, the moment his opponent was unwilling to throw anymore punches, either be being rocked or learning their lesson, AS starts to clown around to get them to throw punches. Looking through some of his previous fights again really strengthens my belief in this. While I won't go as far as to say he is afraid to throw the first punch, I will say that he is more comfortable with putting his own unprotected chin out than throwing the first punch in an exchange.

Against Griffin he never threw first in the exchanges, he let Forrest come to him. In Franklin vs AS II when Rich stopped throwing for about 45 seconds he put his hands down and stuck his chin out. Rich took the bait and AS ducked and dodged the next 3-4 strikes and hit Rich with a lazy jab for his efforts. Cote, a notorious counter striker as well, kept stalking but ultimately waiting for AS to throw the first punch. AS did everything he could to get Cote to throw first and he wouldn't. And then clearly with Maia, he got on his hands and knees and Maia still wouldn't throw. He used every cuss word in the Protégées language and Maia still wouldn't throw. Thus AS just kept with the silly shit he was doing. And the punches he did throw were half hearted at best, not meant to KO or rock Maia, more of a bitch slap to get him to throw first.

So what does this all mean? Not sure, but what it does mean is that unless you get an aggressive striker to fight AS you are probably going to have a boring fight. How can this knowledge lead a fighter to victory? It probably can't, but it does tell you that AS will wait for you to strike so if you are prepared for it maybe you can find a hole in his counter striking (good luck!). But I think the theory is sound going off of his fights since Leben. I think he made an example of Leben to get his name known, but then again Leben is an aggressive style so AS could have gotten extremely ******* lucky getting Leben as his first fight.

So what do you think, am I blowing smoke or is there truth to my theory? Remember, I am not saying he is scared, more of the "you can't teach old dogs new tricks" in reference to his striking.
Basically. But he did lead and rock Griffin. And he also led on Franklin in the 1st fight with the Thai clinch, so I don't know if this is totally true.
 

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Basically. But he did lead and rock Griffin. And he also led on Franklin in the 1st fight with the Thai clinch, so I don't know if this is totally true.
I would have to rewatch the entire Griffin fight, but I am pretty sure that Forrest started almost all of the exchanges, he just unfortunately lost all of them too. The first Franklin fight Rich also started almost all of the exchanges. This was back when everyone thought the best strategy to beating AS was beating him to the punch. AS was more aggressive in that fight, and I credit that due to the fact it was for the title, but if you watch the fight AS only really threw when Franklin did.

Once Franklin was an injured fish then AS went for the kill, but until then Franklin still lead almost all of the exchanges.
 

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iv'e said it plenty of times and the only reason he doesn't want to throw the first punch is because he wants to counter with some highlight reel material
 

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I would have to rewatch the entire Griffin fight, but I am pretty sure that Forrest started almost all of the exchanges, he just unfortunately lost all of them too. The first Franklin fight Rich also started almost all of the exchanges. This was back when everyone thought the best strategy to beating AS was beating him to the punch. AS was more aggressive in that fight, and I credit that due to the fact it was for the title, but if you watch the fight AS only really threw when Franklin did.

Once Franklin was an injured fish then AS went for the kill, but until then Franklin still lead almost all of the exchanges.
He did his weird moving thing then hit him with a ducking right hook. Wasn't a counter. Clean lead.

Also, he didn't counter Franklin at all, or anything significant at least. He gradually broke him down with the Thai clinch and finished it from there. Most of the major parts in that fight were in the clinch.
 

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He just wants someone to fight him he isn't getting mad because people won't throw at him in a retarded fashion like Leben. If you think your best shot is to take him down and sub him make legitimate attempts to do so don't flop on your ass or dive at his feet from 6 feet out. What Leites and Maia did was completely disrespectful to the sport. They showed up to title fights and didn't make any realistic efforts to win the fight. Even when Silva is clowning around and not giving full effort he is still making sure to do enough to convincingly win 3 rounds. It doesn't matter whether or not Silva is a million times better than them if you aren't going to try and beat the man don't take the fight in the first place.

Maybe someone tricked them into thinking Silva's fights are time limit trials where if they don't get finished they win the belt. Sorry guys but you have to actually do something to win a fight.
 

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He just wants someone to fight him he isn't getting mad because people won't throw at him in a retarded fashion like Leben. If you think your best shot is to take him down and sub him make legitimate attempts to do so don't flop on your ass or dive at his feet from 6 feet out. What Leites and Maia did was completely disrespectful to the sport. They showed up to title fights and didn't make any realistic efforts to win the fight. Even when Silva is clowning around and not giving full effort he is still making sure to do enough to convincingly win 3 rounds. It doesn't matter whether or not Silva is a million times better than them if you aren't going to try and beat the man don't take the fight in the first place.

Maybe someone tricked them into thinking Silva's fights are time limit trials where if they don't get finished they win the belt. Sorry guys but you have to actually do something to win a fight.
what leites and silva did was disrespectful to the sport not maia who had a broken nose,completely shut eye and still swung for his life in the third

not to mention this was the ufcs first event in abu-dhabi and the fans deserved more
 

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what leites and silva did was disrespectful to the sport not maia who had a broken nose,completely shut eye and still swung for his life in the third
No, it was the fifth and he did nothing at all in the prior 4 rounds. Also that seriously looked like a girl fighting a man when he did that. Sorry, throwing weak ass arm punches while eating real punches for 20 seconds of a 25 minute fight isn't a legitimate attempt at winning.
 

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yeah and playing air guitar,dancing like a shaman and those girly punches had silva backing up immediately because those where tickling:sarcastic12:
Well they weren't landing so I doubt more than like two of them reached the level of tickling. That is called not letting someone punch you and counter striking. Silva landed more punches in those Maia outbursts.
 

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Yeah try not watching it with 2/3 of the frames gone like two of those landed and they were glancing. If you didn't notice Andy was throwing punches too and they were hitting Maia in the jaw. He dropped him atleast once maybe twice in that too.
 

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maia shot in on him
I was counting the one where he was punching from his knees got hit with two uppercuts and his arms fell to his side as he dropped back. I couldn't tell whether what came before was a slip, knockdown, or horrible shot since he was getting punched when it happened and the camera was on his back so that is the maybe.
 

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Does anyone else notice Silva is mimicking Royce Gracie's stance from the first couple UFC's? I love it, hahah.
 

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yeah people are saying that he also mimicked lyoto at some point and isn't that disrespectful
Not really, didn't see any of the lyoto stuff, but I couldn't quite place where I'd seen that stance before and it just hit me now while i was looking through this thread.

LMMFAO HAHAHAH, Love it.....

 

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I believe he did Lyoto but it was only for a few seconds like the capoeira movement.
 

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Yeah I believe that stand was in the 2nd round? At that point I was kinda laughing, but feeling sorry for Maia too.. A short while after that I felt sorry for Anderson..
 
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