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Best UFC Heavyweight in History?

  • Ken Shamrock

    Votes: 5 31.3%
  • Dan Severn

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Kimo Leopoldo

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  • Mark Coleman

    Votes: 1 6.3%
  • Andrei Arlovski

    Votes: 3 18.8%
  • Tim Sylvia

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  • Bas Rutten

    Votes: 4 25.0%
  • Tank Abbott

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Randy Couture

    Votes: 3 18.8%
  • Other

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HAH JP A.A was doing good,Although he was only beating Scrubs.He's still up there.Coture wasn't a good heavyweight...SO i dont know.
 

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well i wouldnt say mark coleman it is true he was very good but shamrock in his prime was a fuckin beast shamrock did dominate pride for a long time my freind coleman wasnt as dominant has shamrock as i recall did robbie lawler once fight coleman i am sure he did. when i sead hye dominated mma for 10 years i meant in mma overall he commpeted oll over the world very rarly losing for many years he was very dominant in his carrer and thats why he was givin the name the worlds most danguorus man. he retired and his ruturn fight was ageinst tito he hasnt been as dominant latly as he once was
I moved this quote from my other thread.

I put coleman on the list because someone on the other thread had mentioned him and I don't know how many other people would vote for him.

I don't think that Shamrock was dominant in the UFC, and that was my intended topic, but yeah, he was (and may still be) a force in MMA for a long time.
 

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iron man shamrock was very dominant not just in ufc but all over the world he dominted pride and even managed to defeat the first set of hybrid fighters. there was this one fighter who had studied many styles he took out all the like 4 of the graices one after the other proving that mma was far better than enyone style it was shamrock who was the only fighter able to stand up and fight him the fight was a very close fight. and went to the judges score cards shamrock lost to split decition but sayin he was not dominant is a bit silly he has accompished so mutch in his carrer he desurves to be on the list
 

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but he was not as dominant in the ufc he mainly fought in other places,
 

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iceman574 said:
iron man shamrock was very dominant not just in ufc but all over the world he dominted pride and even managed to defeat the first set of hybrid fighters. there was this one fighter who had studied many styles he took out all the like 4 of the graices one after the other proving that mma was far better than enyone style it was shamrock who was the only fighter able to stand up and fight him the fight was a very close fight. and went to the judges score cards shamrock lost to split decition but sayin he was not dominant is a bit silly he has accompished so mutch in his carrer he desurves to be on the list
I'm not disagreeing with you at all. Ken Shamrock has done more for MMA than anyone else I can think of, but he was not as much of a force in the UFC as Royce Gracie or the modern heavyweight champs (Sylvia and Andrei) and he didn't bring in the same recognition or put on as good of a show as Tank. He didn't last as long against Gracie Jiu-jitsu as Kimo.

I'm not saying that he's not a better fighter than all of these guys, just that in his UFC carreer he wasn't as succesful. I say this because he never held a heavyweight title like: Couture, Sylvia or Arlovski.

If we were asking the question who is the greatest heavyweight of all time (which I think is a thread in the general forum) then Ken Shamrock would definitely be towards the top of my list, but not in the UFC.
 

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i said AA because i haven't seen bas fight and ken and tank aren't even close.
but i didn't think randy would have been a big enough heavyweight to take out AA with his great striking and grappling skills
 

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i said AA because i haven't seen bas fight and ken and tank aren't even close.
but i didn't think randy would have been a big enough heavyweight to take out AA with his great striking and grappling skills
You're right, but he was the first man to be both the heavyweight and lightheavyweight champion (though I'm pretty sure that it wasn't at the same time). His striking wouldn't compete with Arlovski or Sylvia.
 

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i know couture was a slightly above avarge heavyweight at best he was far better as a light heavyweight he got dominated in so many fights as a heavyweight not sayin he was rubbish but shouldnt be on the list if you ask me cos he will be gettin unfair votes peeople will be votin for him cos he beat chuck and tito and was a very good LIGHT HEAVY WEIGHT and the fact that he is a ledgend bottem line is people will be voting for the name not weather he was a good heavyweight or not

coleman was a better heavyweight than him
shamrock was

he shouldnt be on there mate every other heavyweight you have on there was more succesfull in the heavyweight div then him

i know he was champion but so is syvia and he shoulddnt be there either you should of thought about the list more or well
 

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iceman574 said:
he shouldnt be on there mate every other heavyweight you have on there was more succesfull in the heavyweight div then him

i know he was champion but so is syvia and he shoulddnt be there either you should of thought about the list more or well
Iceman, you basically cited my reason for me. Shamrock was never a UFC champion. Rutten was never a UFC champion. Tank definitely was never a UFC champion. Neither was Kimo or Severn. Couture is on there for his entire legacy and because he was a champion and a contender at heavyweight and lightheavyweight. That's my only reason for putting him on there, but if you think I'm wrong, then don't vote for him.

I voted for Bas, but that's because his performance in the octagon is like nothing I've ever seen anywhere.
 

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Yea i dont know more than some people about MMA but i do know that Abbott should not even be on this list. I dont think he ever had a match go pst the first round. Most of the time it was him getting knocked out.

You could put of a fight that Dan Severn is possibly the greastest heavyweight ever. But i dont think that he had more that a few fights in the UFC. If this was A Greatest Weight ever thread my vote would be for Dan Severn
 

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Dave "Tank" Abbott: 6'0" 250 lbs Record (9-11-0)
Tank had 5 wins by KO, 3 by submission and 1 by decision. He never had a fight go past 1 round, though he had two fights that were ended by descision. (loss to Dan Severn and win against Yoji Anjo) Tank has 1 win in his last 5 fights (a win against Cabbage at ROTR 7)

Dan "The Beast" Severn:6'2" 250 lbs Record (68-11-7)
Severn has 13 wins by KO and 39 due to submission (mostly strikes)

Those are just some of the numbers, judge the rest for yourself.
 

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Yea i dont know more than some people about MMA but i do know that Abbott should not even be on this list. I dont think he ever had a match go pst the first round. Most of the time it was him getting knocked out.
LOL! What UFC were you watching? I agree that Tank was no not even close to the best HW in UFC history, but he was never KO'd. Most of his fights were him knocking the shit out of someone. His losses came either by decision or sub. The only TKO I can think of was against Cabbage and that was a stoppage due to a cut.
 

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iceman574 said:
iron man shamrock was very dominant not just in ufc but all over the world he dominted pride and even managed to defeat the first set of hybrid fighters.
Dominant in Pride? Do what? He had one victory in Pride against a B level fighter at best. He lost to Frye, Fujita and Sakuraba. I don't get it.:dunno:
 

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IronMan said:
Iceman, you basically cited my reason for me. Shamrock was never a UFC champion. Rutten was never a UFC champion. Tank definitely was never a UFC champion. Neither was Kimo or Severn.
Has everyone lost their minds? Bas was UFC champ. He defeated Kevin Randleman by decision at UFC 20.
 

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Has everyone lost their minds? Bas was UFC champ. He defeated Kevin Randleman by decision at UFC 20.
Sorry, you're right. That was why I voted for Bas. I would correct my mistake, but I'm lazy, so I'll just admit that I f%[email protected]#* up.
 

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LOL! What UFC were you watching? I agree that Tank was no not even close to the best HW in UFC history, but he was never KO'd. Most of his fights were him knocking the shit out of someone. His losses came either by decision or sub. The only TKO I can think of was against Cabbage and that was a stoppage due to a cut.
Tank was stopped due to Strikes/TKO by Vitor Belfort when Vitor was in his initial "Phenom" stage in UFC 13. He was then knocked out cold by Pedro Rizzo 1 year and five months later in UFC Brazil.

Tank is entertaining to watch... Not too skilled, but entertaining none the less.
 
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