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I come to an MMA forum because i figure i will get the most diverse answer, and straightforward answer possible.

My question might sound like one from a douche bag wanting to pick fights. However its quite the opposite, I have never been in a fight. And knowing it takes years or even decades to become proficient at even 1 style of martial arts means I cant simply try them all out.

So to be practical, as i have NO wish of fighting in tournaments or to compete. My only thought is, IF i happened to get into a situation where I would need to throw a punch, to be able to do some damage or minimize the damage i take. What school of fighting would be most applicable to a bar fight, or a skirmish on the street. Boxing? Kick boxing?

What Style would be best to train in, as a hobby. I would not be able to train 5 times a week all year. But closer to 1-2 a week @ the location then a few hours a week on my own at home.

(im not asking for which style is superior, or what will make me the best fighter all around. Strictly a street fight 1-1 , or 1-2. I know i wont become a fighting machine with a couple training sessions but I know there is a difference of night and day between some training and no training.)
 

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I would have to say boxing or kickboxing, only difference is stance and kickboxing adds kicks, obviously. Now if you mean pure street fight where two guys brawl it out I would suggest boxing. If its more like the "organized" street fights like the wannabe kids who do "MMA" fights and put them on youtube I would suggest kickboxing but then if its classic then kicks are not usually liked so again choose boxing.

Remember its how good you are with the art and how much your practice and so forth. Plus boxing is fun.

Also if you think there is the slightest chance you will get taken to the ground I would suggest learning some basic wrestling.
 

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I would say Muay Thai. If it gets into a clinch or within clinch range, as street fights very often do, a guy who is trained in Muay Thai is deadly, when you take into account the Thai clinch, where you can throw knees, elbows, etc..

In my opinion kickboxing is pretty uneffective in a street fight, at least the kicking side of it.. if you throw a spinning back kick in a street fight you're either gunna get caught in mid air and slammed on the floor or you're gunna land it and land on your feet off balance for a split second, where some other sucker could take advantage of it. On the other hand, Muay Thai is all about quick, effective & close range attacking, delivering as much damage as possible in the shortest time.

If it goes to the ground then yeah it would be advantageous to have some kind of experience in wrestling or BJJ, but only so you can use it to get back to your feet as quickly as possible, because you don't want someone stamping on your face as you're trying to triangle choke someone :thumb02:
 

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Krave mega

Krave is a cut throught style built stricly for self defense. It teaches you every thing from the basic punch combos to grappling to gun and knife disarms. It is a very simple style that mis meant to perfect the basics and help you get out of any street situation. You won't turn in to an mma champ by taking it but it will keep you from getting your ass handed to you on the street.
 

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You want to throw punches? You want to knock guys out? It doesn't matter. Boxing, Kickboxing, Muay Thai, MMA, whatever. Doesn't matter. Any of those disciplines that appear straightforward are straightforward enough for your purposes. You'll be able to lay out any punk you meet outside a bar, as per the Kimbo video posted above.

But my honest suggestion to you (in order of relativity (sort of), Japanese Jujitsu, Judo, Hapkido, even Tai Chi Chuan or Aikido, under a very good instructor, of course. Or any style of kung fu or karate that work closely with Chin Na or Taijutsu (respectively). Arts that focus on grappling/throwing/joint locking, and that keep you off the ground, are the bee's knees for self defense, in my mind.

Hope that helped a bit.
 

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krav maga is the right way to go

check out some youtube videos of krav maga guys, its all close combat for Israeli defense forces that has spread throughout the world

it literally means close-combat and was derived from street fighting itself
 

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okay so sounds like basically boxing, muay thai, krav maga all work...

anyone know of a decent gym in washington? (not DC) i did a search for boxing gyms and their are a TON... and no clue how to choose.
 

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okay so sounds like basically boxing, muay thai, krav maga all work...

anyone know of a decent gym in washington? (not DC) i did a search for boxing gyms and their are a TON... and no clue how to choose.
Idk about boxing gyms but here is a website with contacts of certified krav maga trainers in the state of Washington.


http://www.kravmaga-clubs.com/kravmagawashington.html


Hope this helps.
 

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There's a lot of information presented here. But its not all good.

If you want to kill a man in a street fight, Krav Maga might be the way to go. Its literally a military combative, which means, takedown and kill. While that's a good theory, I know an active duty Marine who's stand up and grappling skills are lackluster at best. Hence, I put little faith in combatives.

If you want to knock a guy down so you have a second or two to run away from the bar, or alley way or what have you. A standing grappling art is a much better option.

In a standing grapling art you would simply have to take the opponent down, maybe drop a punch once he's on the ground if you feel its necessary, and run the hell away. Because there is no better option in a street fight than running the hell away. Good ideas for standing grappling arts that would be helpful are: Judo, Japanese Jiu-jutsu, and (if you can find a school in your area) *****.
 

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If you want to kill a man in a street fight, Krav Maga might be the way to go. Its literally a military combative, which means, takedown and kill. While that's a good theory, I know an active duty Marine who's stand up and grappling skills are lackluster at best. Hence, I put little faith in combatives.
if you train a a reputable gym they will work on things like that a lot better than they do in in the military. Maybe its just the place i train in but in the advance class stand up and grappling is pretty decent. The guy that owns my place is a local mma champion till he retired and helio soneca is our BJJ trainer.
 

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if you train a a reputable gym they will work on things like that a lot better than they do in in the military. Maybe its just the place i train in but in the advance class stand up and grappling is pretty decent. The guy that owns my place is a local mma champion till he retired and helio soneca is our BJJ trainer.
So, by your logic, a 17 year old kid at a gym is a more developed fighter than a guy who fights to the death? Doesn't sound realistic to me. Combatives in common useage is completely different than combatives unused. And unless you're dead, you haven't done full contact Krav Maga. Its very easy to do full contact stand up grappling and become very adept at the art in common useage. Techniques in the gym, and in reality, are very different things.

Example 1: A counter wrist lock-shoulder throw-knee to the head is exceedingly complex and cannot be practiced full contact in the gym. A lead leg sweep-reverse punch-run the F*** away, is very simple to practice in the gym at full speed and is a much simpler and equally effective maneuver.

Example 2: A counter throat strike-groin knee-leg sweep cannot be practiced full speed in the gym. A simple block-clinch-hip toss-run the F*** away can be trainined full speed in the gym.

The point of these examples are that while both can be done in real life, which would you do in a rapid, instinct situation, chances are it would be the simpler maneuver. So why train something unnecessarily complex? The phrase "keep it simple-stupid" comes to play here.

So how does your gym work. They teach stand up(what kind?), ground grappling(BJJ?) and Krav Maga(hybrid system)separately?
 

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okay so sounds like basically boxing, muay thai, krav maga all work...

anyone know of a decent gym in washington? (not DC) i did a search for boxing gyms and their are a TON... and no clue how to choose.
Easiest way is if a gym has an pro fighters, do a bit of research as they'll be the guys with proven fight experience and will have more chance of showing you good technique as they would have had to use it against skilled opponents, so it will be more effective against non skilled opponents/streetfighters (just check out KIMBO's venture into MMA).
 

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So, by your logic, a 17 year old kid at a gym is a more developed fighter than a guy who fights to the death? Doesn't sound realistic to me. Combatives in common useage is completely different than combatives unused. And unless you're dead, you haven't done full contact Krav Maga. Its very easy to do full contact stand up grappling and become very adept at the art in common useage. Techniques in the gym, and in reality, are very different things.

Example 1: A counter wrist lock-shoulder throw-knee to the head is exceedingly complex and cannot be practiced full contact in the gym. A lead leg sweep-reverse punch-run the F*** away, is very simple to practice in the gym at full speed and is a much simpler and equally effective maneuver.

Example 2: A counter throat strike-groin knee-leg sweep cannot be practiced full speed in the gym. A simple block-clinch-hip toss-run the F*** away can be trainined full speed in the gym.

The point of these examples are that while both can be done in real life, which would you do in a rapid, instinct situation, chances are it would be the simpler maneuver. So why train something unnecessarily complex? The phrase "keep it simple-stupid" comes to play here.

So how does your gym work. They teach stand up(what kind?), ground grappling(BJJ?) and Krav Maga(hybrid system)separately?
i am agreeing with you keep it simple stupid is good where i train however things an expert can help refine your basics more. you said that you know with a marine and you think his stand up and grappling was mediocre. Now i am saying having someone like seneca and a former champ can help and make you basics better than lack luster.

when we train in the advanced leval we train full contact stand up sparing and grappling. also the tactics we learn are pretty simple and tweaked for more every day life not for military combat.

they have separate BBJ judo and MT classes but the instructors of those classes also help give a little insight in the krav classes.

not trying to say krave is better in a gym just different
 

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i am agreeing with you keep it simple stupid is good where i train however things an expert can help refine your basics more. you said that you know with a marine and you think his stand up and grappling was mediocre. Now i am saying having someone like seneca and a former champ can help and make you basics better than lack luster.
I agree a trainer can make the basics far better than without. But Marines are trained in basic and in MCT (Marine Combat School) by highly skilled veterans. But the skills still suck. Its not that they're untrained, its that they're trained poorly in hand-to-hand IMO.

when we train in the advanced leval we train full contact stand up sparing and grappling. also the tactics we learn are pretty simple and tweaked for more every day life not for military combat.
I consider street fighting very similar to the street-to-street fighting encountered in modern war. And that in essense is what Krav Maga is, street-to-street fighting against multiple opponents in a wartime situation. Anything else is just a cut down version.

they have separate BBJ judo and MT classes but the instructors of those classes also help give a little insight in the krav classes.
Gotcha. I was just asking to try and get an understanding of how the training worked.

not trying to say krave is better in a gym just different
As I said before I just don't see how a combat system, specifically designed for warfare with support troops, in a squad based setting, can be an effective option of one-on-one or one-on-two negative defense. Its just not designed to be used that way.
 

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As I said before I just don't see how a combat system, specifically designed for warfare with support troops, in a squad based setting, can be an effective option of one-on-one or one-on-two negative defense. Its just not designed to be used that way.
Thea like I said it might just be my gym but in addition to the combative moves we do allot of one on one stand up and grappling.
 

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Thea like I said it might just be my gym but in addition to the combative moves we do allot of one on one stand up and grappling.
It might be your school. I think your probably right on that count.

I've never seen Krav Maga effectively melded with any other form of martial arts because of the unorthodox and very strict style limitations. However I would be curious to see what properly melded Krav Maga would look like. I doubt it would look much like traditional Krav Maga.
 

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A gun.

On the street there are no fair fights, and you never know if the guy you're fighting has a knife/gun/years in an mma gym.

But as to the original question, I'd say kickboxing/boxing. I do not agree on any level with someone who even suggests its okay or reasonable to go to the ground in a street fight. Being on the ground in a street fight is death, terrible position to be in and I personally would never risk it.
 
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