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Earthquake Survivor
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I blame Brock Lesnar.

He's the one who did this to us. He's the reason every pro wrestler who ever slapped on a sleeper hold thinks he can flip the switch and become a real fighter now. They see all the money Lesnar's making as UFC heavyweight champion, the respect he's getting, and they can't help but wonder whether there's a place in the MMA business for them. After all, how hard can it be?

Answer: hard. Really hard.

Not that I'm under the false impression that pro wrestling isn't difficult, mind you. I understand that being on the road a few hundred days out of the year, living in hotels and airports and still being forced to take your shirt off on TV every week is no cushy job. You need toughness to take those bumps every night, but it's a different kind of toughness.

The latest former WWE human action figure to start thinking out loud about an MMA career is Dave Batista. He told TMZ recently that he's planning to fight for Strikeforce, and though Strikeforce officials initially denied that claim, they seem to be coming around to the idea now.

Strikeforce CEO Scott Coker told Sherdog.com this week that a Batista signing was "a possibility," adding, "We're not the guys that are putting all the circus fights on, but in all fairness, look at Brock Lesnar. He made the crossover. Why not Batista?"

It's a fair question, and one that deserves a fair answer, so here goes:

• Batista is 41 years old; Lesnar is 32.

• Batista worked as a bar bouncer, then got into bodybuilding before becoming a pro wrestler; Lesnar was a Division I national champion wrestler (the real kind) for the University of Minnesota.

• Lesnar spent only a few years in the WWE, then went and tried out for the Minnesota Vikings before turning to MMA; Batista spent the better part of a decade battering his body in the WWE, then retired and talked himself into thinking he could become a real fighter despite having no background in combat sports.

Does that about cover the "Why not Batista?" question?

Maybe not for Coker, who already has one former pro wrestler on the roster in Bobby Lashley. So far, that grand experiment hasn't exactly panned out. Even though Lashley has some legitimate college wrestling credentials and a good deal of mat time at American Top Team, he's still proving to be something of a reluctant warrior, preferring easily winnable squash matches to real challenges.

Still, Coker claims that a non-scripted fight between Lashley and Batista could be "a fun fight to watch." Fun for whom, and for what reasons, is what I'd like to know.

It's not hard to see what Coker is after here. He wants his own Lesnar. He wants a proven draw to siphon off some mainstream fans and generate a few headlines in the process. He wants Lesnar Lite.

But just because Batista and Lesnar share one former employer, it doesn't mean they have much else in common as far as athletic ability. Sure, you've got to be mentally and physically tough to last in the WWE for as long as he did, but that doesn't mean he's only a few jiu-jitsu classes away from becoming a serious MMA fighter.

I would have thought the people at Strikeforce would realize that. I also would have hoped that they'd respect the intelligence of the fans enough to know that we realize it too.

It's not that I think having a history as a pro wrestler disqualifies a person automatically. I just think that having no serious background in martial arts training before your early 40s ought to make us wonder if this is a serious pursuit, or just an attention-getting gimmick for a guy who's missing the limelight more than he thought he would.
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Found it a good read.
 

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The Avy Slut
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*shakes head* man ... I don't even know what to say. I honestly canNOT believe Coker is thinking of bringing in Batista to have his MMA DEBUT in the supposed #2 MMA org in the world. At least let him prove himself in 2-3 fights in lower tier MMA orgs, before you bring him in and give him Lashley because it'll be "a fun fight to watch", as it will not be, it will be a demolition and Batista's last one at that.

Strikeforce really needs to pick up it's game if it wants to compete with the UFC ... and I'm not saying they have bad fighters, they don't - they have a great list of top tier fighters/champions, but it's the guys in suits at the top that need a good eye-opening ...
 

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You're not terribly important to me
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ill make this short no, he is 44, never done any REAL wrestling or boxing or anything.
 

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You're not terribly important to me
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I thought he was 41!:confused02:
my bad he is, but that would make him one of the oldest guys to debut in mma anyways, he might have 1 fight before he is 42
 

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The problem is that Batista is older than Lesnar, he doesn't have the freak strength and speed that Lesnar has, and he most certainly does not have the wrestling pedigree that Lesnar has. They are two entirely different people. Lesnar already had an outstanding wrestling background and time to develop everything else. At 40+ years old, Batista does not have the same kind of time to develop into a fighter.

No matter how Coker or anyone else spins it, Batista's situation is completely different than Lesnar's.
 

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The Title Guy
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Yeah Lesnar has taken time to get to where he is now and still have a good 8 years left in his fighting career, Batista will be lucky if he gets 5 years and that is being very generous!:thumbsdown:
 

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I play Call Of Duty, guess that means I'm now qualified for the Army.
 

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Baista first needs to polish his sunset flip. However, his transitions into a camel clutch is clean, so his ground game is air tight. His cross-chest slaps can drop most people if they land, so.... two or three of those and any sane ref may stop the fight.
 

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I completely see everyone's point against this idea, and have a very hard time denying any of the logic as to what a bad move this would be.

But I do have one question. Whether we are talking about Herschell Walker, Kimbo Slice, or Dave Batista... What is so wrong with the occasional "freak show" fight? Seriously? As long as your not throwing them into immediate title contention, and it is just to 'see what they can do', or even strictly to entertain the rest of us, why not?

Most fighters in the UFC will tell you that if you can get a card with Brock Lesnar you're a lucky SOB, because they know the amount of viewers that are going to be seeing them. If a few guys from the Strikeforce roster can get the same kind of exposure just for the sake of watching Bastista get creamed by Lashley, or any other legit HW, let the man do it... there is absolutely nothing to lose. And if you say, you'll lose the respect of a "true" MMA fan, myresponse will be a sound "Grow up"... none of this would exist if the most important aspect wasn't the number one focus, entertainment.
 
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