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of Nazareth
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I'm getting tired of Dana, and this is from one of his biggest bestest gushiest fans.

First of all, he creates this ridiculous hype bubble to convince the world that the UFC is brimming with top draw fighters in all divisions. Then, when he truth is revealed that all 5 divisions ( ok, maybe not HW ) are actually shallow when it comes to elite fighters, he likes to blame the fighters.

Its a load of shit.

Its not Andersons fault that the rest of the MW division is 207 steps below him on the skill-o-graph. Its not GSP's fault that nobody at WW can do anything at all to him... or that Machida and Rua will NEVER lose to another LHW. Dana keeps chucking these sub standard competitors in with these awesome champions and then moans because the fight didnt go the way *he* wanted it to.

Maybe Dana should be complaining about how uncompetitive the talent pool is... O wait, that would be the equivalent of bursting the hype bubble he so painstakingly crafted.

What kind of opponent for Silva was Maia? Or Hardy for GSP? Thanks god for Edgar doing something completely out of the ordinary to give us something to get excited about regards future matchups at LW.

Dana is a knob. He puts Maia in with Silva and complains that Silva didnt crush him physically and mentally. I really hope when the two of them spoke after the fight, Silva angrily said something along the lines of, "What the **** was that rubbish you put in the for me to fight? Its a disgrace."

I seriously dont see the difference between Fedor beating the shit out of all these fighters that are then deemed unworthy, and therefore tarnishing his P4P status... and yet the same is happening with Silva except that Silva refuses to humiliate a fighter so far below him skill wise. If he started doing a Fedor and wiping these fools out in 1 or 2 rounds with minimum effort, that would not look good for the UFC either.

In a nutshell, Dana should shut the feck up.
 

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I agree to a certain degree that most of the champs are far above the rest of their division. But like you said, it's not the case for HW.... and I heavily disagree with the LHW statement. IMO Jon Jones will smash both Machida and Shogun, and half the division's prospects like Bader, Rashad etc. could take out Shogun. Also, LW also seems more competitive suddenly, with Edgar taking out BJ and Maynard near the top as well having taken out Edgar. And BJ, Edgar, Florian, Maynard etc. would smash all the other hyped LWs out there like Aoki, Alvarez, JZ, Hansen etc... we saw a taste of that with Florian-Gomi.

I also don't think that GSP being so good means the rest of his division is bad... the UFC does have some incredible WW fighters, Fitch would smash any other orgs WWs or even most MWs.

MW IMO is the only truly weak UFC division filled with one-dimensional players with weak records. It has always been that way ... if MW was stacked with fast young top caliber wrestlers that were great on their feet (Like o say Brock, Velasquez and Carwin in HW), Andy would suddenly look human.
 

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agree ^^^^

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dont you mean joe silva not dana? allot of people complain that dana put together the maia andy fight so he has no room to bitch ect.. he does not put together the fights he just hypes them and is also just a huge fan

also kind of disagree on this one the divisions are stacked just the champions are on another level, heck if we just took out each weight divisions champion the divisions would be super exciting again
 

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Zuffa doesnt have:

Fedor Emelianenko
Gegard Mousassi
Dan Henderson (*SIGH*)
Nick Diaz
Joachim Hansen
Shinya Aoki
Tatsuya Kawajiri
Jacare Souza
Gilbert Melendez
Bibiano Fernandes
Eddie Alvarez

Just to name a few, and the above are on most mma site if not all top 10 in their divisions respectively.

I agree with the statemet that the gap between the "contenders" and UFC champions is MASSIVE, which either means 1 of 2 things

1) Champions are just too good, contenders not good enough
2) UFC truly doesnt have "the best" talent top to bottom as it claims

I chose the latter because im sick of seeing -800 or even -1000 underdogs on the sportsbook, which just confirms this
 

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If I hear one more time that Maia was unworthy of fighting Silva I'm going to Puke. Maybe if Silva actually fought like he wanted to win that night we could see the gap. But as far as I'm concerned, Silva used his reach the first two rounds, gassed for the 3rd and 4th and clearly lost the fifth.


He essentially had a 25 minute kickboxing match with Maia and couldn't finish, so "unworthy" my ass. You'd never see GSP, Penn, or Fedor afraid to engage on the ground, period. And Silva seemed hesitant to engage anywhere!
 

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It's not all Dana putting in there who he wants. If a fighter has a better record than everyone else in the division he's the #1 contender, pretty straight forward. Silva could say whatever he wanted about Maia not really being a challenge but Maia apparently earned his shot, lost miserably, and now onto the new #1.
 

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Zuffa doesnt have:

Fedor Emelianenko
Gegard Mousassi
Dan Henderson (*SIGH*)
Nick Diaz
Joachim Hansen
Shinya Aoki
Tatsuya Kawajiri
Jacare Souza
Gilbert Melendez
Bibiano Fernandes
Eddie Alvarez

Just to name a few, and the above are on most mma site if not all top 10 in their divisions respectively.

I agree with the statemet that the gap between the "contenders" and UFC champions is MASSIVE, which either means 1 of 2 things

1) Champions are just too good, contenders not good enough
2) UFC truly doesnt have "the best" talent top to bottom as it claims

I chose the latter because im sick of seeing -800 or even -1000 underdogs on the sportsbook, which just confirms this
That's not naming a few ... you just named ALL the top 10 ranked fighters that the UFC doesn't have, except Jake Shields and they seem to be working on it. Not having 12 of the top 50 fighters in the world seems like pointless whining calling the UFC's roster "weak". They still have the 38 other fighters of the top 50.

In fact, if you remove Fedor, Mousasi and Aoki from that list, none of the others are top 5. So the UFC has 22 out of the 25 elite (top 5) fighters in the world. That's 88% people! It's not a weak roster.

It's not the UFC's fault their champs are so good... there just aren't any better fighters out there.
 

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The only guys on there that would get close to beating the UFC champions are Fedor, Mousasi and Aoki. The others are guys I believe to be over-rated. Diaz, Jacare, Melendez, Hansen etc would all be fairly middle of the road fighters in the UFC divisions, and certainly are not on the level of Silva, St-Pierre, Rua, Machida, Lesnar and Penn. I'd like to see them fight in the UFC and enjoy watching them fight for SF/Dream/Bellator etc but they wouldn't be title holders in the UFC I don't believe.

As for Maia, if it wasn't for the flash-ko loss to Marquardt he'd have had a pretty big hype train behind him on here I reckon. Arguably the best BJJ practioner in the UFC taking on a guy that's been submitted in the past. He didn't deserve to be as big an underdog as people considered him to be. Sure he got schooled by Silva in rounds 1 + 2, and didn't have the wrestling to get him to the floor, but he was a better contender than many give him credit for. He just needed 1 more fight before taking on Silva I think, and as a result was thrown in a tad early due to Sonnen not being ready and Belfort being injured.
 

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Its not Andersons fault that the rest of the MW division is 207 steps below him on the skill-o-graph. Its not GSP's fault that nobody at WW can do anything at all to him... or that Machida and Rua will NEVER lose to another LHW. Dana keeps chucking these sub standard competitors in with these awesome champions and then moans because the fight didnt go the way *he* wanted it to.
Silva is responsible for his own actions. That argument is like when 7 year old takes a cookie without permission and then says to his mom "It was your fault for leaving it on the counter where I could get it."

He is a professional. He should do his job, which is to fight. I don't mind if he fights a safe fight, like against Leites or GSP vs. Hardy. He doesn't have to risk a loss just to be exciting. I do mind the clowning around Roy Jones Jr. dropping your hands and hiding behind the ref crap.

Or better yet, here's an idea. When he gets the matchup with Maia, you know MONTHS ago he could SAY SOMETHING if he doesn't like it. "Hey Dana, this guy is a clown, I want a challenge."

Wow, that was hard.

Last time I checked if grown ups have a problem, they talk about it and resolve it, not wait months on end and then say "I know, I'll go out and put on a really boring fight. That'll show em." What kind of absurd passive aggressive logic is that?

And as Frankie Edgar showed us, maybe those guys aren't as unbeatable as we thought. If you had written this post a week ago you would have had BJ on the list with GSP/Silva/Rua/Machida as unbeatable.
 

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That's not naming a few ... you just named ALL the top 10 ranked fighters that the UFC doesn't have, except Jake Shields and they seem to be working on it. Not having 12 of the top 50 fighters in the world seems like pointless whining calling the UFC's roster "weak". They still have the 38 other fighters of the top 50.

In fact, if you remove Fedor, Mousasi and Aoki from that list, none of the others are top 5. So the UFC has 22 out of the 25 elite (top 5) fighters in the world. That's 88% people! It's not a weak roster.

It's not the UFC's fault their champs are so good... there just aren't any better fighters out there.
Last time i saw Inside MMA all of the above fighters were listed in the top 10

If you browse numerous sites they are in theirs also.
 

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you know how boxing has had champs who rain undefeated for years because they are that much better than everyone else?

It's the same with MMA. These elite of the elite make other fighters look bad.

Ali, Tyson, Pac, Mayweather, Roy Jones, to truly 'name just a few'.
 

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Last time i saw Inside MMA all of the above fighters were listed in the top 10

If you browse numerous sites they are in theirs also.
And? Did you even read what I wrote? I said yes all those are top 10, but only 3 are top 5.

And all those plus a couple more (twelve total, out of 50 top 10 in 5 divs) are all the top 10ers outside the UFC.

I never disputed what you are saying ... read again what I wrote and try to refute that instead. As in show me a website that has any of those besides Fedor, Mousasi and Aoki in their top 5 for the weight class?
 

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Honestly, UFC was fine before AS, and will be just fine after AS. It's not like the guy is the most popular fighter the MMA world has ever seen. he's in a class by himself, no doubt, but the genral PPV buying public won't all of a sudden disappear with him gone. I don't doubt Dana's sincerity when he says he would cut him, although I do think that is an absolute last resort kind of thing.
 

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Top 5, 10, does it really matter?

If your in the top 10 your elite. Simple

You can also throw in,

Hector Lombard
Jorge Santiago
You're dodging the point here ... yes top 10 are elite, but top 5 are elite of the elite and the UFC has 90% of those and 75% of the top 10s.

What do you expect, the UFC to have 100% of all? Oh but then it'd be a monopoly, and we'd have threads whining about the UFC monopoly :sarcastic01:

Also Hector Lombard is not top 10 yet, the dude has beaten no one of note. He may have the talent but one can't say yet.
 

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Good points fellow MMAFers.

Now ive had a chance to read my post it does seem to be nothing more than an unfounded rant.

My key point is that Dana hypes the UFC to well beyond its actual quality. Hes constantly using worlds like "stacked", when in reality stacked should mean 20 and 30 top level fighters per division not 3 or 4. Maia IS completely unworthy of fighting Silva. That's the facts of the matter regardless of how silly Silva behaved.
 

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Good points fellow MMAFers.

Now ive had a chance to read my post it does seem to be nothing more than an unfounded rant.

My key point is that Dana hypes the UFC to well beyond its actual quality. Hes constantly using worlds like "stacked", when in reality stacked should mean 20 and 30 top level fighters per division not 3 or 4. Maia IS completely unworthy of fighting Silva. That's the facts of the matter regardless of how silly Silva behaved.
The UFC can't have 20-30 top level fighters per division, they don't have enough shows.

Maia may have been unworthy of fighting Silva but he was still a top 10 ranked MW.
 

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Good points fellow MMAFers.

Now ive had a chance to read my post it does seem to be nothing more than an unfounded rant.

My key point is that Dana hypes the UFC to well beyond its actual quality. Hes constantly using worlds like "stacked", when in reality stacked should mean 20 and 30 top level fighters per division not 3 or 4. Maia IS completely unworthy of fighting Silva. That's the facts of the matter regardless of how silly Silva behaved.
no those numbers are ridiculous that would never happen
 
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