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Hi guys i just started to train in a local MMA school and i have nearly no experience in martial art (well, i've trained for a few years in a WTF taekwondo mcdojo when i was a kid...). I have a problem in deciding whether to take up Gi or No-Gi BJJ as I am only available to one of them due to various reasons. These are my concerns:

1) I actually tend to work on my MMA game more and I'm not really that interested in BJJ, but i am conscious that it is an essential base for doing MMA.

2) I'm not tryna be badass but i expect to learn something that can protect me on the streets, which kind of BJJ do you guys think is more practical on the streets?

3)According to my simple research, it seems that there are quite a numbers of moves in Gi BJJ which are not usable in MMA, is that true? What about the No-Gi type then?

Lastly, I apologies if my English is not too good cuz it isnt my mouther tounge lol

Thanks a lot guys!

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If you can only do one and you are more focused on MMA than BJJ, do the nogi as it will be more practical for MMA. Not that gi isn't effective, but you will learn a lot of techniques that require the gi that won't carry over into MMA.
 

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H1) I actually tend to work on my MMA game more and I'm not really that interested in BJJ, but i am conscious that it is an essential base for doing MMA.

2) I'm not tryna be badass but i expect to learn something that can protect me on the streets, which kind of BJJ do you guys think is more practical on the streets?

3)According to my simple research, it seems that there are quite a numbers of moves in Gi BJJ which are not usable in MMA, is that true? What about the No-Gi type then?
1) For your MMA game, No-Gi grappling is more important to train as in MMA you're going to fight without a Gi.

3) Yes, there are several techniques in Gi-BJJ that you either can't do in No-Gi or won't work as good, simply because those techniques involve the usage of your or your opponent's Gi.

2) For the streets, training with Gi is better as usually people tend to wear clothes on the streets. So with Gi-training you will be better in using your opponent's clothes for your techniques AND you will be better prepared to deal with your opponent grabbing YOUR clothes while fighting. In overall for the streets I'd suggest rather classical Jiu Jitsu than Brazilian Jiu Jitsu as the latter focusses primarily on ground fighting and that's not where you want your fight to take place in the streets, because you never know whether your opponent has some friends around who would happily stomp on your head with their boots.
 

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To put things in perspective,

If Brazilian Jiu jitsu was a game, no-gi would be checker, and gi would be chess.

Now, do you want to learn how to play checkers, or chess?

Personally, I started training BJJ in no-gi, and I did so for about 1 year and a half.

I started gi about 2 months ago and I would never see myself getting back to no-gi. Now, about your situation, I understand that no-gi is probably more concrete as you are into MMA, but keep in mind that all of the best no-gi champions are gi champs, and mostly train with a gi on.

Training with a gi will not slow down your MMA training, it'll just make your jiu jitsu game way more technique (and less based on strenght) than if you were to train in no-gi.

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How does gi training take more technique? That makes no sense. The only difference is being able to grab their gi and using it for different things which are essentially useless in an MMA setting. And I don't understand the whole nogi is more strength than technique. That is completely false.
 

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How does gi training take more technique? That makes no sense. The only difference is being able to grab their gi and using it for different things which are essentially useless in an MMA setting. And I don't understand the whole nogi is more strength than technique. That is completely false.
But no-gi game does require more speed, or better said, it relies more on speed than the gi game.

I will also recommend no-gi, since for what the OP wants, it's more practical.
 

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But no-gi game does require more speed, or better said, it relies more on speed than the gi game.

I will also recommend no-gi, since for what the OP wants, it's more practical.
I would agree with that but I don't think the strength over technique in nogi really flies. If anything I think strength or at least the strength of your grip will benefit someone more in gi than nogi as there is always something to hold onto.
 

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Do both, having an understanding of BJJ wearing a Gi gives you a better understanding of it without, if your doing MMA classes then you will work without the Gi anyway, but doing at least one class per week in a Gi will help you understand jujitsu better and help improve your overall MMA skills
 

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How does gi training take more technique? That makes no sense. The only difference is being able to grab their gi and using it for different things which are essentially useless in an MMA setting. And I don't understand the whole nogi is more strength than technique. That is completely false.
It's the kind of thing that you can't understand until you tried it. Believe me, it is way more technical than you could ever imagine. Ask any real BJJ practitioner and he will agree with that.

Flipping your opponents without using strength, spider guard sweep or submissions... etc. All those techniques that will help weaker guys develop their game and take on bigger and stronger guys.

For instance, I fought again a small, 135 lbs, in both gi and no-gi about a week ago. While I could actually keep up a little with him in no-gi, he absolutely destroyed me in multiples ways when we grappled with gi. My strength advantage (I'm 6ft4 and 195 lbs) was useless when it came down to fighting with gi on.

Anderson Silva, GSP, Jose Aldo, BJ Penn, etc... Are all BJJ black belts ( and we all know that belt system doesn't apply unless you train with a gi).
 

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It's the kind of thing that you can't understand until you tried it. Believe me, it is way more technical than you could ever imagine. Ask any real BJJ practitioner and he will agree with that.
I have tried both for some time. They both require the same amount of technique to be efficient at. And ask a real bjj guy is pretty laughable when the person teaching my classes at Gracie is a world champion.

Flipping your opponents without using strength, spider guard sweep or submissions... etc. All those techniques that will help weaker guys develop their game and take on bigger and stronger guys.
So this can't happen in nogi? I learn just as much technique in nogi as I did in gi.

For instance, I fought again a small, 135 lbs, in both gi and no-gi about a week ago. While I could actually keep up a little with him in no-gi, he absolutely destroyed me in multiples ways when we grappled with gi. My strength advantage (I'm 6ft4 and 195 lbs) was useless when it came down to fighting with gi on.
The same thing can happen the other way. Some people are just better with a gi on and others without.

Anderson Silva, GSP, Jose Aldo, BJ Penn, etc... Are all BJJ black belts ( and we all know that belt system doesn't apply unless you train with a gi).
There are plenty of bjj practioners that train primarily in a nogi setting. I have literally not one bad thing to say about gi or nogi, but to sit there and say one is way better than the other is pretty ignorant.
 

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I have tried both for some time. They both require the same amount of technique to be efficient at. And ask a real bjj guy is pretty laughable when the person teaching my classes at Gracie is a world champion.



So this can't happen in nogi? I learn just as much technique in nogi as I did in gi.



The same thing can happen the other way. Some people are just better with a gi on and others without.



There are plenty of bjj practioners that train primarily in a nogi setting. I have literally not one bad thing to say about gi or nogi, but to sit there and say one is way better than the other is pretty ignorant.
I am not here to start an argument on which one is better, I am just stating that gi is more technical. I don't get why your telling me that your coach is a world champ, what does it have to do with this? My BJJ coach is a 3 or 4 times world champion, gave GSP his black belt and is training with most of the gracie's in brazil. Does that make his point of view more valuable?...

Of course, some people train primarily in a no-gi setting, what are you trying to say? It's a matter of preference. I could tell you that even brawlers like Rampage, for example, has a BJJ blue belt.

All this to say:

No-gi: More strength based, more concrete for a MMA fight.
Gi: More technical, more complex, more useful for a street fight if your opponents have a jacket or anything.

Marcelo Garcia Quote: "I train every day in the gi, and once a week with no-gi. It is crucial to train with the gi to have the finest technique. An athlete who wants to be good in no-gi, must also train in the [email protected]*

More on the subject: http://www.tnbjj.com/linkedpages/Gi_vs_noGi.html
 

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I am not here to start an argument on which one is better, I am just stating that gi is more technical. I don't get why your telling me that your coach is a world champ, what does it have to do with this? My BJJ coach is a 3 or 4 times world champion, gave GSP his black belt and is training with most of the gracie's in brazil. Does that make his point of view more valuable?...
I wasn't saying that to make me sound more informed than you. I was bringing it up because you made it seem as if you were talking to someone who had no clue what they were talking about. I mean you said ask any real bjj guy. I was pointing out that I do not need to go around asking someone as I train with people who are elite in bjj. Not that I know everything because of that.

Of course, some people train primarily in a no-gi setting, what are you trying to say? It's a matter of preference. I could tell you that even brawlers like Rampage, for example, has a BJJ blue belt.
That is exactly my point. It is personal preference. You are not going to become any better at bjj training gi as opposed to nogi. It is 100% about what you want to do or what your goals are.

All this to say:

No-gi: More strength based, more concrete for a MMA fight.
Gi: More technical, more complex, more useful for a street fight if your opponents have a jacket or anything.
I still disagree that nogi is more strength based. Yes, in certain situations, you may be able to use strength to your advantage, just as you can in certain situations in gi. And the street fight logic is flawed as it is completely dependent on what your opponent is wearing. Yes an opponent with a jacket would be one thing. But the majority of people I run into are not wearing jackets or even long sleeves for that matter.

It is purely situational.

Marcelo Garcia Quote: "I train every day in the gi, and once a week with no-gi. It is crucial to train with the gi to have the finest technique. An athlete who wants to be good in no-gi, must also train in the [email protected]*

More on the subject: http://www.tnbjj.com/linkedpages/Gi_vs_noGi.html
Like I said, I have nothing at all against training in the gi. I am just saying that nogi is just as effective and I think if someone has to pick only one or the other, they need to pick the one more tailored to their goals and they will be just as well off.

I am not here for an argument either. We have different views and that is fine. I really do think that if someone has the opportunity, that they should train in the gi and in nogi, but I do not think that one will be of more benefit than the other.
 

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It really is your personal choice. Choose what you like.. Im a newbie to nogi and im loving it... I have started taking nogi classes and looking to buy some nogi gear online so it would be of such a great help if you guys could suggest some place to get it from? I have actually found this site nogibjjgear they have really really cool stuff but I wanna know if anyone has good experience with them before ordering something.
 
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